[rickc]

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Marx and Lenin, underachieving couch surfers? lol...

Communism is a failure cause Mao didn't realize sparrows were important, while more and more species go completely extinct each passing year in the midst of capitalist progress and nothing gets done to prevent it

All those people poisoned by American chemicals in Vietnam, all those people starving in resource-robbed africa as Nestle and Coke waste 100 bottles of water for 1 bottle of juice, all that garbage swirling around in the Pacific in a patch the size of Texas, Flint and thousands more cities having heavily polluted drinking water in the middle of the greatest capitalist country on Earth, all that freedom of speech we enjoy as corporate interests collude with law enforcement to provide a means of spying on absolutely everyone with the consumer products they hold in their hands... Arrogance indeed.

But you want to bring up that nuance-lacking Black Book of Communism stat, 100 million? What's the chances of you suddenly developing a fuckton of nuance when I suggest capitalism causes 100 million deaths every 5 years?

For one, a tally made by a commie where he just chose to stop once he got past 100 million:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/ ... apitalism/

Another attempt at "attempting the impossible", calculating capitalism's death toll, finds over 200 million:
http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/a ... eath-toll/

And finally, just a simple bite-sized graphic for those who enjoy Black Book-level simplicity.

Thousands more cities having heavily polluted drinking water in the middle of the greatest capitalist country on earth eh? I call bullshit!!! Back up your claim with facts. Show me "thousands" of cities in the U.S. having heavily polluted drinking water. I am calling you out. Garbage in the pacific, show me how that is capitalism's fault and not communist China's fault.

As far as corporate interest colluding with law enforcement to provide a means of spying, I am in total agreement with you. If we are ever on the same side swinging batons at government officials, it will probabaly over this. However don't think that spying on the populace is somehow the domain of the right. Go to Cuba. Try hitting on a Cuban girl in the city. See how far you get. I was in East Berlin in 1985. No one wanted to talk to me. I was sitting at a large table in a packed restaurant all by myself because no one wanted to be seen with an American. They knew they were being watched by the secret police. No one would look me in the eye. All I had to do was look at someone to get them to look away. Its like I had the power of the "evil eye". A 20 year old kid was the "baddest mother fucker" in town. All I had to do was wear a uniform. Don't kid yourself that spying is somehow the province of the right. It sure as hell is not.

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[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Why is the opinion piece from Neil McDonald News, but the opinion piece from Tarek Fatah fake news?

If that's not the case why is the Rebel fake news when it is only illustrating Tarek's opinion with actual video?

Or are you saying Rebel is as fake as CBC?

McDonald's piece was posted as opinion, which was clearly stated. I'll take a professional reporters' informed opinion over a random internet guy any day.

The definition that Bart and Martin were using that the CBC, BBC, Washington Post etc were 'fake news' was because they presented with a left bias. Not that they don't report actual events, but that they were biased.

By that same definition, anything reported by The "Rebel" is also "fake news" because it is presented with an alt-right bias. Assuming of course that it actually took place. (I have to account for the source, after all.)

By the rightie definition, it's 'fake news'. Own it, or never use the term again.

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[DrCaleb]

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The definition that Bart and Martin were using that the CBC, BBC, Washington Post etc were 'fake news' was because they presented with a left bias. Not that they don't report actual events, but that they were biased.

Which is also incorrect. The CBC, BBC, WP, etc, do not present a left bias. They present a centre bias (if there's even such a thing). Of course it seems leftist from the perspective of the alt.right. When you're that far to the right, Attila the Hun seems a leftist.

Not my definition. As I said, it was Bart's and Martin's.

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By that same definition, anything reported by The "Rebel" is also "fake news" because it is presented with an alt-right bias. Assuming of course that it actually took place. (I have to account for the source, after all.)

By the rightie definition, it's 'fake news'. Own it, or never use the term again.

Let's stop calling things 'fake news' and call it what is: lies. There is no accountability nor honour among the right anymore. They're liars. Their president is a liar. They lie about everything. And what's worse is it's unabashed. They're not even ashamed that they're liars.

The "Rebel", as I've shown before, even goes to some length to make things up as well. That's how they post stories no one else does, because they made it up! This gives them more eyeballs to sell more swag to the MAGA crowd.

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[DrCaleb]

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Garbage in the pacific, show me how that is capitalism's fault and not communist China's fault.

China is Capitalist, by the way. Capitalism is an economic system , Communism is a political system. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Microplastics may be small, but they’re causing big problems for our environment and our health. These tiny pieces of plastic used in personal care products are designed to go down the drain and into our lakes, rivers, and oceans — by the billions every day. They absorb toxins in the water, are eaten by marine life, and can make their way up the food chain all the way to our dinner plates.

http://storyofstuff.org/plastic-microbe ... -the-bead/

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WHAT ARE NURDLES?

Nurdles are small plastic pellets about the size of a lentil. Countless billion are used each year to make nearly all our plastic products but many end up washing up on our shores.

HOW DO THEY END UP AT SEA?

Spills and mishandling by industry can mean nurdles end up at sea. Our planets oceans are now accumulating nurdles in worryingly large numbers.

http://www.nurdlehunt.org.uk/whats-the-problem.html

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Eight million tonnes of plastic are going into the ocean each year

Around a third of this likely comes from China, and 10% from Indonesia. In fact all but one of the top 20 worst offenders are developing nations, largely due to fast-growing economies but poor waste management systems.

However, people in the United States – coming in at number 20 and producing less than 1% of global waste – produce more than 2.5 kg of plastic waste each day, more than twice the amount of people in China.

https://theconversation.com/eight-milli ... year-37521

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The Plastics Division of the American Chemistry Council (ACC) and SPI are working together on a revitalized OCS program to strengthen efforts to educate and change behavior in the plastics industry with a goal of zero pellet, flake, and powder loss. ACC and SPI are strongly committed to this effort and are encouraging plastics companies to participate in the OCS program, which includes the practices and tools outlined in this manual. In addition, ACC and SPI are encouraging companies to sign onto the Declaration for Solutions to Marine Litter, of which the OCS program is a key element. Only by working globally can industry help to affect the introduction of resin pellets, flakes, and powder into the environment.

https://opcleansweep.org/Manual/Plastic ... nment.html

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Some plastic and marine debris comes from fishing gear, offshore oil and gas platforms, and ships. But 80 percent of it comes from the land—litter that gets stuck in storm drains and is washed into rivers and out to sea, the legal and illegal dumping of garbage and appliances, and plastic resin pellets inadvertently spilled and unloaded by plastic manufacturers. Trash Travels, Ocean Conservancy’s 2010 report, states that 60 percent of all marine debris in 2009 consisted of “disposable” items, with the most common being cigarettes, plastic bags, food containers, bottle caps and plastic bottles. And no matter where the litter originates, once it reaches the ocean, it becomes a planetary problem as garbage travels thousands of miles carried by the gyres.

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/01/26 ... stic-soup/

[Tricks]

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They're often Liberals. Many actual liberals are leaving the progressive hivemind and discovering they share common ground with Conservatives on important issues even if they disagree on others.

Not really. The most prominent Atheist voices are resoundingly condemning Trump, because what he's doing isn't going to effective in dealing with a threat from Islam. They are progressive, which is why they don't like Islam (or any religion for that matter). Because religion to them is the antithesis of being progressive. However, they do agree that people being silenced is wrong. And that is because voices like theirs have been silenced in history by the church, and are being silenced in the middle east by Islamic Fundamentalists. So you're right in that they agree with you there. And so do I quite frankly.

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In any case here is Hitchens on Islamophobia and if Iqra Khalid has her way she would like us trained to think of this opinion as hate speech, and get us one step closer to doing something about it.



I agree with Hitchens on Free Speech too.

I agree with Hitchens on Free Speech too. But you're also trying to say Hitchens would agree with Trump when the man can't confirm or deny it, and it's quite frankly pretty slimy. Personally, I'd look at one of Hitchen's friends, Sam Harris. And his thoughts on the travel ban and how the USA should approach Islam. Harris and Hitchens have virtually identical opinions leading up to Hitchens passing, so he's an excellent person to look to, to get an idea of what Hitch would have said. However, we obviously can't know for sure.

[N_Fiddledog]

I don't have a problem with Harris. I come across him all the time through my YouTube new atheists.

I'm not on board with that idea of relying on moderate Muslims to transition Islam into compatibility with the West. It doesn't seem possible. They don't seem to be having much success.

I'm more in the "the problem isn't radical Islam, it's Islam" camp, but if the moderates want to work on bringing Mohammedism into the 21st century they should fly at it. I'm all go for it. Still...if it's a horse race - relying on the moderates isn't where I'm putting my money.

As to Harrisian views on Trump, Sam Harris doesn't have to share my views on Trump for me to still share many Harrisian viewpoints on other issues.

Personally, if I was King of North America though, Islam would have a lot more to bitch about than anything Trump is doing. I was going to say the Muslim Brotherhood rather than Islam, but they'd be gone.

[Tricks]

You obviously didn't listen to what he said. By going overboard on trying to squash out any sort of terrorism, you do nothing but create more terrorists. How about instead of instituting muslim bans, you put pressure on countries that jail/kill people for apostasy. You put pressure on them to improve their Women' Rights. You put pressure on them to actually come into this century, and you support the groups of people that are trying to do. And if that doesn't work, I don't know, maybe accept some fucking refugees that want to flee the religion but can't, and are going to be jailed because of it.

Christianity didn't progress to a slightly more accepting religion by way of war and oppression. They did it by people within the religion standing up and saying "Hey guys, this is wrong, we need to change." By stomping out the entire religion, you stomp out those voices too.

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[N_Fiddledog]

No, I listened Tricks. I just don't agree. We agree there's a problem though.

I don't think Trump did institute a Moslem ban. I'm not sure how you would "put pressure" on the countries he named to quell the terrorism or support of terrorism coming out of them. Take Syria for example. Where would you like to apply the pressure? Sanctions on Iran didn't seem to help much.

Personally I think putting a 90 day suspension on visas from countries the previous administration saw as terrorism hot spots is moderate. Measured even.

If it was me the Muslim Brotherhood would be disbanded, Wahhabi money wouldn't be allowed into the country, and radical Imams would be gone and never allowed to come back - stuff like that. All this would happen in the first week.

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Oh...and there was no Muslim ban.