[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BF, Vice has a chart from Citizenship and Immigration Canada embedded in this article:

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syri ... verty-line

The one-time 'start up' payment is $5400+/-

Would have been four mortgage payments for me. Ineligible for assistance though due to whiteness, maleness, Albertan-ness, or whatever.

$1:

That support is available for the first 12 months of their stay in Canada or until they're able to take care of themselves financially — once they reach that point, the funding is cut off outright.

What more proof do people need these refugees were brought to Canada for photo-ops and votes.

[BeaverFever]

To earlier comments.

But your last post, if I understand it, is that immigrants who arrived in the first half of the 20th century didn't get much in the way of handouts do why should these people.

Well the obvious answer is that this isn't the first half of the 20th century. This is the 21st century. For one thing, much of the modern welfare state didn't exist back then. And I don't know that there weren't any benefits or incentives for newcomers, Im not sure I agree with that. For another thing, the past 4 decades of Reagan-Thatcher economic policies invented by conservatives but adopted by "centrist" Liberals and Democrats if the 90s, pretty much destroyed the chance that someone can support their family through "hard work" alone. Gone are the good-paying factory and general labour jobs, with skilled labour not far behind.

Lastly I'll say that we all have vested interest in ensuring people who come here integrate economically, if not culturally and that means you actually WANT them to be able live in a safe neighbourhood, find stable and fulfilling employment and send their kids to university. It's not like we're indifferent as to whether they succeed or simply gather in large impoverished crime infested ghettos.

[herbie]

BS they got 160 acres. Any goddam idea what 160 acres in Alberta is worth these days?

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

BS they got 160 acres. Any goddam idea what 160 acres in Alberta is worth these days?

It wasn't worth shit until someone figured out how to get oil out of the sand.

[andyt]

$1:

'We can't abandon them': Senators urge more language, mental health supports for Syrian refugees

One year after the first wave of Syrian refugees arrived in Canada, the Senate's committee on human rights is urging the federal government to boost language training, mental health services and financial supports to ease the next phase of the resettlement process.

Releasing a report called "Finding Refuge in Canada: A Syrian Resettlement Story," committee chair Jim Munson said while the program has been a Canadian success story, the government and citizens must not be complacent.

"We can't abandon them. We can't let indifference set in. We need to do more to help them in their next resettlement steps," he said during a news conference in Ottawa Tuesday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate- ... -1.3883133

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

To earlier comments.

But your last post, if I understand it, is that immigrants who arrived in the first half of the 20th century didn't get much in the way of handouts do why should these people.

Well the obvious answer is that this isn't the first half of the 20th century. This is the 21st century. For one thing, much of the modern welfare state didn't exist back then. And I don't know that there weren't any benefits or incentives for newcomers, Im not sure I agree with that. For another thing, the past 4 decades of Reagan-Thatcher economic policies invented by conservatives but adopted by "centrist" Liberals and Democrats if the 90s, pretty much destroyed the chance that someone can support their family through "hard work" alone. Gone are the good-paying factory and general labour jobs, with skilled labour not far behind.

Lastly I'll say that we all have vested interest in ensuring people who come here integrate economically, if not culturally and that means you actually WANT them to be able live in a safe neighbourhood, find stable and fulfilling employment and send their kids to university. It's not like we're indifferent as to whether they succeed or simply gather in large impoverished crime infested ghettos.

Did I say they shouldn't get a hand up? What I was pointing out was that your statement about the majority of immigrants getting gov't help was inaccurate especially when your figure in the vast number of people who came here over the last 150 years. Although, remembering what their parents, grandparents and great grandparents had to endure to become Canadians as compared to what these new immigrants are being given may be why alot of earlier immigrants and their descendants are more than a little pissed when some of these people come here and take advantage of our kindness.

[herbie]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

herbie herbie:

BS they got 160 acres. Any goddam idea what 160 acres in Alberta is worth these days?

It wasn't worth shit until someone figured out how to get oil out of the sand.

I was worth enough before the war to get a Pool Hall on Commercial Dr. and a house a block away.
FFS there's a hell of a lot more to Alberta than oil sands. Go look.
Not now... it's fricking -30!!

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

herbie herbie:

BS they got 160 acres. Any goddam idea what 160 acres in Alberta is worth these days?

It wasn't worth shit until someone figured out how to get oil out of the sand.

And earlier, it wasn't worth anything until someone figured out how to work the land.

Because no one else was.

[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

BS they got 160 acres. Any goddam idea what 160 acres in Alberta is worth these days?

They came in the period 1890 - 1914, and the land was worth shit back then. Most of them also came with no capital and no way to buy hardware to work the land. And yes, they were given 160 acres.

$1:

Sir Clifford Sifton, the Minister of the Interior from 1897 to 1905, turned to Eastern Europe for prospective immigrants. The bait for attracting land-hungry peasants from Eastern Europe to Canada was the offer of 160 acres or 64 hectares of free land as a homestead for a nominal registration fee of $10.00. This dream of owning land and access to forest products attracted thousands of Western Ukrainians who could raise the $150.00 needed to pay train and boat passage. Whole families and the greater part of many villages joined this emigration. It is estimated that between 1891 and 1914 up to 200.000 Ukrainians settled in Canada. Many thousands of others left for the United States, Brazil and Argentina.

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/sgc-cms/his ... 5504&pos=1

[BeaverFever]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

martin14 martin14:

I wonder why, especially now at Christmastime, why he isn't standing outside foodbanks and bawling apologies to those people.

Oh, they are Canadians, that's why.

Yeah because that's what Harper used to do :roll

What would he be "apologizing" to people at food banks for anyway? And what does that have to do with this story?

LOL CDN_PATRIOT gave me a negative rep for this post. His only comment: "Troll".

I don't see anything trolling about it....comically neither he nor Martin ever answered the question.