[martin14]

Delwin Delwin:

I am just not as willing to paint them all with the same brush. I am not making excuses.

Yes you are.

$1:

The guy who said Allahu Ackbar on the plane while in custody was trying to invoke a reaction. No question about it.

He didn't 'say' anything, stop trying to minimize it.
He was shouting and screaming.


Here's 43 seconds of 2 hours for you, I'll bet you never watch it.




I would like to watch you getting off a plane ride like that.

$1:

The more we as a society buy into it, the better they accomplish their goal and the more followers they will recruit.

Their are 1.6 Billion of them. They are not all Terrorists, if they were, it is not a war we could win. It would simply be perpetual war, forever.

If you think Islam is going to go away, it isn't. We can only hope it evolves and extremist elements are weeded out, similar to what we have seen with Christianity. Trying to deal with 30,000 fighters in Isis is an enormous task. Making 1.6 Billion people your enemy because of 30,000 or 100,000 or even 10,000,000 is a foolish deathwish.

Oh noes, we shouldn't offend anyone, they might get mad at us.

They are already mad, and appeasement doesn't work.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Their are 1.2 Billion of them. They are not all Terrorists,

Nobody said there were.

And there it is. That's the one. Now I remember...

That's the one Andy set his record on for not understanding a thing no matter how many times you explain it to him. You're going to have to say it at least 99 more times and Andy's is still going to be saying it while you do, so you'll never catch up. Might as well not even try.

It goes like this. I say something like 'that whole Muslim gang grooming situation in the UK sucks.'

Now that goes through Andy's regressive reality filter (possibly yours as well) and what he hears is I'm saying only Muslims pimp and all Muslims are pimps.

It's the same here, if I relate a story of a Muslim charging the cockpit of a plane screaming about jihad, I'm not saying only Muslim's lose their cool on planes and all Muslims do. I know that's what you two hear, but that's not what was said.

(Oh, and that's four)

Naomi Campbell flipped out on a plane one time, did she? Good for her. Have other models been smuggling bombs in their shoes and underwear, put box-cutters to the crew's throats, and flown planes into buildings. Did Naomi Campbell try to use that terrorist rep to spread fear, because in her mind that's the same as respect. Because if she didn't we're not talking about the same thing.

And even if we were, you still couldn't stop those of us who refuse to ignore the obvious from noticing, so why do you two continue to think you can?

[Delwin]

You think Muslims invented plane hijackings?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... hijackings

Stop you from noticing Muslims? You are completely fixated on them and your posts are almost exclusively of those of them whom are criminals. It's your whole world how could anyone ever stop you from noticing?

All we can hope to do is point out that when you take your blinders off, there are fucked up people all over the place. Muslims are not genetically predisposed to criminality, it's a religion after all.

Obviously if I only post stories about criminals from Scranton Pennsylvania, it could tarnish our perception of Scranton, which I am sure has a fair share of nice people.

Since this is basically all you do every day it is obvious that your intent is to create a false perception of Muslims and your walking it back doesn't change that. Obvious bigot is obvious. The lack of balance over hundreds of threads is clear evidence of that.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

You think Muslims invented plane hijackings?

No, and nobody said that.

(Also that's five).

Muslims (no, not all, you dingbat) causing problems for air traffic is a phenomena. We notice. The fact you and yours don't want us to notice isn't going to stop us from seeing what's in front of our faces. Why is that so hard to figure out?

I don't care if you don't like the fact counter-jihad is one of the issues I'm interested in. The fact it bothers you doesn't make you right. It only makes me happy.

[Delwin]

Right. 100,000 flights a day. 2 incidents involving Muslims and phenomenon. I posted examples of 8 celebrities, isn't that a larger phenomenon by your standards?

Mayhaps we found a new group for you to hate. Lucky Lucky.

[Thanos]

Well, tomorrow's the fifteen-year anniversary of how nineteen Muslims made their moment of acting up on airplanes a heck of a lot more memorable than Naomi Klein or Alec Baldwin ever did.

[Delwin]

That's true and the largest terrorist attack using an airplane before that just passed it's 31St anniversary and was almost entirely Canadian citizens goes largely forgotten. 268 Canadians to be exact and no, not Muslims.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Right. 100,000 flights a day. 2 incidents involving Muslims and phenomenon. I posted examples of 8 celebrities, isn't that a larger phenomenon by your standards?

Mayhaps we found a new group for you to hate. Lucky Lucky.

Post all the celebrity gossip you want, it won't change anything. (And not that it matters, but just to be accurate I linked to 7 Muslims misbehaving in the air events.)

Nobody is saying only Muslims cause problems on air flights. (That's Six)

However...

There didn't used to be all these restrictions on air travel there are today. Then there were. Why is that? Why the restrictions on taking fluids on board, for example? Why look so hard for boxcutters or any small bladed weapon? They didn't used to. Then they did. Did something happen?

Of course it did. It influences the reality of everything from air flight security to pricing.
It's a phenomena. You'd have to be stupid, lying or intentionally dense not to notice.

Hell, even a Liberal like Juan Williams notices. The progressives fired him for noticing what everybody else knows.



The Israelis have success with their airport security. Apparently they profile. Who are they most likely to profile, I wonder.

[Thanos]

Delwin Delwin:

That's true and the largest terrorist attack using an airplane before that just passed it's 31St anniversary and was almost entirely Canadian citizens goes largely forgotten. 268 Canadians to be exact and no, not Muslims.

No, but the same sort of religious extremism, just like Oklahoma City. This is where you're failing. You think we're letting the others off the hook we're not. Keep that in mind the next time some alleged Christian bastard in the US shoots up another Planned Parenthood clinic and I'm once again the one here most vehement and enraged about it, and about the religion/politics that influenced the SOB into doing it.

[Delwin]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

However...

There didn't used to be all these restrictions on air travel there are today. Then there were. Why is that? Why the restrictions on taking fluids on board now? Why look so hard for boxcutters or any small bladed weapon? They didn't used to. Then they did. Did something happen?

Of course it did. It influences the reality of everything from air flight security to pricing.
It's a phenomena. You'd have to be stupid, lying or intentionally dense not to notice.

So now you are saying that the security reaction to 9/11 is what makes Muslim plane outbursts a phenomena? Which is the phenomena? Muslim plane outbursts or the security restrictions?

I mean you are not implying that the plane restrictions would have been different if this was Sikh Terrorists are you? If that is what makes it a phenomena then it really has nothing to do with Muslim. The restrictions were actually imposed by the TSA.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

However...

There didn't used to be all these restrictions on air travel there are today. Then there were. Why is that? Why the restrictions on taking fluids on board now? Why look so hard for boxcutters or any small bladed weapon? They didn't used to. Then they did. Did something happen?

Of course it did. It influences the reality of everything from air flight security to pricing.
It's a phenomena. You'd have to be stupid, lying or intentionally dense not to notice.

So now you are saying that the security reaction to 9/11 is what makes Muslim plane outbursts a phenomena?

No. I'm saying what I said. Why would the underwear bomber causing of restrictions concerning bringing fluids on board flights, or Israel passenger profiling be connected specifically to 9/11?

I don't think even Juan Williams freakout sourced exclusively to 9/11.

I'm saying there is a phenomena of Muslim terror in the air. No that doesn't mean only Muslims can be air terrorists (that's 7).

Yes there was Air India. There was also Lockerbie. That was Muslims.

I googled for top ten airplane terrors. Guess who scored 9 out of ten on the first link I clicked. It wasn't Sikhs.

10 Most Terrifying Airplane Hijackings of All Time

There's a reason people connect air terror to Muslims. No that doesn't mean only Muslims can do air terror.

It means enough Muslim air terror stories have occurred to create a culture of caution. This can connect to disturbances on flights when a muslim is involved.

If a Muslim freaks out and storms the cockpit of a plane screaming about jihad he attaches significance to his threats. He expects people to do the same. Why do you think that is? It's not just because he's drunk or crazy.

[PluggyRug]

Delwin Delwin:

Making 1.6 Billion people your enemy because of 30,000 or 100,000 or even 10,000,000 is a foolish deathwish.

You will never get it with quotes like that.

In your mind 2 plus 2 never ends up as 4 it's always stuck on 2.

We have always been their enemy.

If there was an all out war against the muslims who's side would you be fighting on?

[martin14]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If there was an all out war against the muslims who's side would you be fighting on?

Him ?

Fight ?

Never. He's a hide in the closet type.


So Delwin can now tell us what he would fight for.

Defense of the Queen and Commonwealth ?

Defense of NATO ?

Defense of Canada ?

Defense of Ontario, waiting until the Russians/Chinese/whoever pass by Winnipeg ?

[Delwin]

Not really interested in your impossible hypothetical where all the Muslims in the world suddenly declare war on everyone else or your caricature that anyone who doesn't hate prejudicially like you do must be a coward.

I guess I would fight for the same side I would if the Cylons attacked Earth.

Your assertion that they have always been at war with us is of course demonstrably false but I don't really feel like illustrating all of the Muslims we have sided with in the past or the fact that Turkey is a predominantly Muslim country and a NATO ally or that "we" are a multicultural society and that Muslim Canadians are just as Canadian as you are but we wouldn't really be getting anywhere would we?

You have your prejudices and you are sticking to them. Your wrong is your right.

[martin14]

Delwin Delwin:

of course demonstrably false but I don't really feel

Go ahead, demonstrate.