[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Do they? Who pays your salary? Is it some different group of people than those who pay public servants' salaries?

Yes, they do.

A private company pays my salary with their profit. Same group of people, different way of being paid.

Governments need to be accountable for how they spend our tax dollars and if that means putting names on a list so we can see how they are spending money on the public labour force, so be it.

Lemmy Lemmy:

No, the reasoning was to demonstrate that public sector employees earn more than the provincial average, thereby creating "us" and "them" for the average Toronto Sun reader. That was its purpose...propaganda.

This "propaganda" appears to provide value to the government considering it's still in place.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-debtclocks/ontario/ontario-s-debt/

http://nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/p ... l?referer=

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexch ... ublic-debt

If you're going to share and support those articles, I don't expect to hear you mention the debt added during the Harper era ever again.

If debt is good, it goes for governments of all stripes.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yes, they do. A private company pays my salary with their profit. Same group of people, different way of being paid.

Where do you think the private company's profits come from? They come from others' salaries. We all pay each others' salaries. You pay no more of a public employee's salary than they pay of yours.

OTI OTI:

Governments need to be accountable for how they spend our tax dollars and if that means putting names on a list so we can see how they are spending money on the public labour force, so be it.

Governments absolutely do need to be accountable for how they spend our tax dollars. That's a different thing from publishing individuals' private information. Why not just publish the data without the peoples' names attached to it?

OTI OTI:

This "propaganda" appears to provide value to the government considering it's still in place.

So it would seem, yes, but we still haven't established what that purpose is.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Where do you think the private company's profits come from? They come from others' salaries. We all pay each others' salaries. You pay no more of a public employee's salary than they pay of yours.

True, but it's none of our business how a private company spends their money.

It is our business how our government spends our money.

Lemmy Lemmy:

Governments absolutely do need to be accountable for how they spend our tax dollars. That's a different thing from publishing individuals' private information. Why not just publish the data without the peoples' names attached to it?

Good question. I'd be happy with the position and the salary.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Good question. I'd be happy with the position and the salary.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

If you're going to share and support those articles, I don't expect to hear you mention the debt added during the Harper era ever again.

If debt is good, it goes for governments of all stripes.

You've never heard me criticize Harper for running deficits, I just think it's comical that the Conservatives get to claim the title of being the only ones that can be trusted to balance the budget, when almost every single balanced budget of the modern era was by Liberals.

Harper inherited a balanced budget when took over from Martin in '06. After that first year, he was in deficit. He balanced the budget again by making a reserve fund withdrawal in his final budget, something the PBO said he would not be able to pull off again due to worsening economy. And those two budgets are the only balanced federal budgets any Conservative government has ever delivered since at least the 1960's and probably ever.

I don't applaud the Chretien-Martin cuts, or even thing balanced budgets are a must-have, but the facts show that the Liberals are the only federal party in history that has ever consistently balanced the federal budget so on what basis to Conservatives claim any credibility here?

[BeaverFever]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Good question. I'd be happy with the position and the salary.

And just Base. Bonus, and taxable benefits should be sufficient. That is the compensation offer. If they're going to include things like overtime, it should be indicated separately because there is a difference between someone who makes a base salary of $100k and someone who makes $75k salary and happened to get another $25k in overtime because of the G20 summit or the Pan-Am Games.

Also, things like back-pay or banked time as I described earlier should not be included.