[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah, fucking Liberal Juries. It's just hard to find one conservative in a panel of 12 people nowadays even though both sides take turns removing candidates from the pool during the process. Pfft probably all Arabs and the Judge probably instructed them poorly too because he's on the take.

My wife always gets out of jury duty by bringing her Bible with her for voir dire. Works every time. It'll probably work even better in Canada.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

My wife always gets out of jury duty by bringing her Bible with her for voir dire. Works every time. It'll probably work even better in Canada.

You would think so...but...there is always a but...every so often, you will run into a judge like I did. Valid excuse, you can go. Valid excuse, you can go. Judge looks down the line of remaining jurors, looks at the docket list in front of her. "Unless any of you remaining jurors have a life or death reason to abstain, you will be fulfilling your jury duty."

And, this is how Peck got stuck on jury duty...much to the disdain of both lawyers in the case I was assigned to. I don't think I fit any sane person's bill for 'reasonable' (looking) at that time, but they were stuck with me. Lol.

Although, providing jury services was an eye opener. Lost a ton of respect for some aspects of the Canadian judicial system, and gained a ton for some other.

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[peck420]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

I never understood why patriots and people who tell me to vote tend to avoid the real civic duty of jury duty.

For myself? Timing.

If I could offer my services, when they don't conflict with providing for my family, I am more than happy to oblige.

When I have to miss the boat (technically bus) and am forced to take far lesser paying, local contracts, due to jury duty...it kind of hurts.

I had hoped to exchange my current place for when I returned from my 3 weeks. I never got the opportunity. I am well aware that if I had done this prior to selection day, I wouldn't have had any issues. I was young and dumb.

C'est la vie...done with now, haven't been recalled since.

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[andyt]

Thanos Thanos:

I wonder if the same defense would have worked for some pathetic illiterate chav as well as it did for a wealthy Arab who could afford the best lawyers to work for him. All it amounts to is that British judges will continue with the hilarious decisions as Old Blighty continues it's free fall to it's final destruction at the hands of these barbarous foreign pigs. Yes, I just happened to fall into her, literally, with my circumstantially hardened cock as I was drunk/high/sleepwalking/hypnotized/whatever. Don't think even some vapid richy-rich frat boy from an American university has tried to get away with something like that.

WTF does the judge have to do with this? This was a jury verdict. But froth on.

[Thanos]

Yeah, I get the part that you've got to stand up for the kind of decisions that suit your agenda without giving a damn what these things do to overall justice. Yes, another gold-digging lying little whore got sent packing. Hoorah!

[N_Fiddledog]

It doesn't necessarily have to be the fact that this guy's well paid attorneys are so good, one can also consider the possibility the prosecution might have been really bad.

Let's not forget this is the country where thousands of underage girls were being groomed for sex by older men and the criminal justice system (if not the whole system running the UK) failed them.

The UK was where I first heard the term "Two tier justice system." I've heard it many times since, and apparently it's not just me, because in June the Brits brought in a new Justice Secretary who claimed he was going to do something about it .

Michael Gove: 'Creaking', two-tier justice system is failing crime victims

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“But perhaps even more unforgivable is the human cost.
“It is the poorest in our society who are disproportionately the victims of crime, and who find themselves at the mercy of this creaking and dysfunctional system.
“Women who have the bravery to report domestic violence, assault and rape.
“Our neighbours who live in those parts of our cities scarred by drug abuse, gangs and people trafficking.

“These are the people who suffer twice – at the hands of criminals and as a result of our current criminal justice system.”

But it looks like Mr. Gove still has work to do when Prosecutors can't convince a jury the concept of rape by tripping is ludicrous.

And I'd like to turn the proposal Andy made earlier around the other way. I think more than a few people (BLM supporter types for example) might find infallibility in the jury in this case, but would happily jump on the 'burn the witch' bandwagon, when the 'witch' was somebody benefitting from a jury decision that did not please the politically correct. (Zimmerman, Darren Wilson, the cops who put Eric Garner in a chokehold.)

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[Thanos]

Wonder if anyone else noticed this little tidbit in the Daily Mail article:

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During the trial, Judge Martin Griffiths permitted the rare step of allowing 20 minutes of Mr Abdulaziz’s evidence to be heard in private.

Nice 1000 year old justice system ya got there, Britain. Be a real shame if something were to happen to it. Was this like the time some fuckwit judge in Colorado decided to let a different rich rapist go free because his high powered job in the financial sector meant he was simply too important to the overall system to be put in prison for something as mundane as a sexual assault charge? They aren't even bothering to pretend any more that it's their money that prevents them from facing any consequences of their actions. FTW, which in this case clearly means 'fuck this world'.

[peck420]

Thanos...only in media attempting to sway an opinion will you find the term 'rare' and 'private testimony' in the same sentence.

They are not rare, by any means. They are actually routine for certain crimes.

They are not private from the prosecution, the jurors, or the court staff either. They are only private from the court room viewers and the press.

For example, let's say you are being charged with break and enter. A pretty mundane, sadly, court case. Your lawyer approaches the bench, and requests private testimony because you were on your cell phone with your kid during the alleged break in.

Done. 3rd party minor? Automatic private testimony.

There are hundreds of legitimate reasons for why private testimonies are used, before we even begin to get into the weird, creepy, and criminal.