[andyt]

JT lost all my respect, such as it was, when he voted for bill C51.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

JT lost all my respect, such as it was, when he voted for bill C51.

His advisors paid too much attention to the polls. There was overwhelming support for the bill at the time, and they didn't want the Conservatives to stick a "soift-on-terror" label on Trudeau. Of course, the public is a fickle beast and the law fell out of favor. Snookered themselves is what they did. Lost my resepct too--trying to read the public to see what they want is no way to run a campaign or a government.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

JT lost all my respect, such as it was, when he voted for bill C51.

His advisors paid too much attention to the polls. There was overwhelming support for the bill at the time, and they didn't want the Conservatives to stick a "soift-on-terror" label on Trudeau. Of course, the public is a fickle beast and the law fell out of favor. Snookered themselves is what they did. Lost my resepct too--trying to read the public to see what they want is no way to run a campaign or a government.

Yep, except I blame him, not his advisors. And I expect him to pull similar stunts all down the line - go for popularity instead of what's right. All pols do it to some extent, listening to the people isn't a bad idea. But I think he would just be a weather vane as pm.

The other thing that swayed me is people commenting on cross country checkup that the Libs are far closer to the Cons than the Dems, would be much more likely to form a coalition with the Cons (biding their time while JT gets experience). That made sense to me, and no thanks. PUt in the Dippers, shake things up, they can only fuck things up so much in 5 years. Just like Alberta.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Yep, except I blame him, not his advisors.

To be clear, so do I.

$1:

The other thing that swayed me is people commenting on cross country checkup that the Libs are far closer to the Cons than the Dems, would be much more likely to form a coalition with the Cons (biding their time while JT gets experience). That made sense to me, and no thanks. PUt in the Dippers, shake things up, they can only fuck things up so much in 5 years. Just like Alberta.

If Trudeau does that, he'll become Peter Mckay II.

[JaredMilne]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

JT lost all my respect, such as it was, when he voted for bill C51.

His advisors paid too much attention to the polls. There was overwhelming support for the bill at the time, and they didn't want the Conservatives to stick a "soift-on-terror" label on Trudeau. Of course, the public is a fickle beast and the law fell out of favor. Snookered themselves is what they did. Lost my resepct too--trying to read the public to see what they want is no way to run a campaign or a government.

It's not entirely fair to compare Justin to Pierre, but I can't see Pierre making the same kinds of gaffes that Justin has. Say what you will about Pierre (and there's a lot you can say, both good and bad), but while he would give ground on various issues (e.g., wage and price controls, the notwithstanding clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, etc.) he would never waver on his core beliefs, like his opposition to Quebec nationalism. Pierre was also a master political tactician who did everything from isolate René Lévesque during the 1980 referendum and the constitutional debates, add the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to the constitution and finally bring it under Canadian control, and in many ways establish a new way of looking at Canada for many people. His influence continued even after he left office, given his instrumental role in whipping up opposition to the Meech Lake Accord.

The merits (or lack thereof) of all these things can be debated. What's clear, though, is that while Justin has inherited some of Pierre's charisma, he hasn't inherited his dad's intellect or political skills. He initially dazzled the country with Trudeaumania, but even after the thrill wore off for Canadians Pierre stayed on top until 1984. Justin caught on at first, but his shine's worn off much faster than it ever did for Pierre. Justin's gaffes, however, have been his undoing far more than anything the Conservatives have tried to do to him.

[herbie]

A book is going to oust Harper?
Not unless its 1,000 pages with a ceramic cover and you hit him over the head with it.......

[martin14]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

The merits (or lack thereof) of all these things can be debated. What's clear, though, is that while Justin has inherited some of Pierre's charisma, he hasn't inherited his dad's intellect or political skills. He initially dazzled the country with Trudeaumania, but even after the thrill wore off for Canadians Pierre stayed on top until 1984. Justin caught on at first, but his shine's worn off much faster than it ever did for Pierre. Justin's gaffes, however, have been his undoing far more than anything the Conservatives have tried to do to him.

Father's names, mother's brains.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

The merits (or lack thereof) of all these things can be debated. What's clear, though, is that while Justin has inherited some of Pierre's charisma, he hasn't inherited his dad's intellect or political skills. He initially dazzled the country with Trudeaumania, but even after the thrill wore off for Canadians Pierre stayed on top until 1984. Justin caught on at first, but his shine's worn off much faster than it ever did for Pierre. Justin's gaffes, however, have been his undoing far more than anything the Conservatives have tried to do to him.

Father's names, mother's brains.

Jagger?

[2Cdo]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

The merits (or lack thereof) of all these things can be debated. What's clear, though, is that while Justin has inherited some of Pierre's charisma, he hasn't inherited his dad's intellect or political skills. He initially dazzled the country with Trudeaumania, but even after the thrill wore off for Canadians Pierre stayed on top until 1984. Justin caught on at first, but his shine's worn off much faster than it ever did for Pierre. Justin's gaffes, however, have been his undoing far more than anything the Conservatives have tried to do to him.

Father's names, mother's brains.

Jagger?

[PluggyRug]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

The merits (or lack thereof) of all these things can be debated. What's clear, though, is that while Justin has inherited some of Pierre's charisma, he hasn't inherited his dad's intellect or political skills. He initially dazzled the country with Trudeaumania, but even after the thrill wore off for Canadians Pierre stayed on top until 1984. Justin caught on at first, but his shine's worn off much faster than it ever did for Pierre. Justin's gaffes, however, have been his undoing far more than anything the Conservatives have tried to do to him.

Father's names, mother's brains.

Jagger?

Good one Doc.