[Alta_redneck]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

14 barrels of oil sorry this whole thing is ridiculous.

Ridiculous as it may be, the truth is that this has zero to do with the amount of oil spilled and everything to do with the fact that this incident has, now become the cause celebre for that group of truth twisting anti oil individuals to use against the building of pipelines or, the use of any Canadian Ports as terminals for the export of evil oil.

These people don't want to hear any silly facts like, originally the source of the contamination couldn't be positively identified or even what type of fuel it was that leaked. They only want to be able to use this accident to show that if one "ship" had a malfunction that led to a spill, all ships will have malfunctions that will lead to spills and since tankers carry more oil than other ships their spills must be larger and more devastating.

If you were to use this wildly imaginative form of projection in other aspects of life we could inaccurately surmise that if one person commits murder all people will commit murder or, if one anti oil advocate is arrested all anti oil advocates will be arrested, or if one person drives drunk all people will driver drunk.

Hell, the possibilities are as endless as they are ridiculous which, is what makes assumptions like this so untenable.

No kidding, it seems like about half the people commenting on the articles think its an oil tanker that is leaking.

And I can't understand why the CG is taking so much heat, is there not something like a port authority that calls the shots?

[Zipperfish]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

No kidding, it seems like about half the people commenting on the articles think its an oil tanker that is leaking.

And I can't understand why the CG is taking so much heat, is there not something like a port authority that calls the shots?

The responsible party calls the shots. They usually hire the WCMRC (a government mandated private entity paid for by shippers) to respond. The Coast Guard is there in an oversight capacity, and steps in if the responsible party is unable or unwilling to respond. The Port's role isn't clear.

[andyt]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

No kidding, it seems like about half the people commenting on the articles think its an oil tanker that is leaking.

And I can't understand why the CG is taking so much heat, is there not something like a port authority that calls the shots?

Pleasse quote those people directly, so we know you're not just bullshitting.

The Coast Guard is in charge of dealing with a spill. Response was very poor. Who's in charge of the Coast Guard, and sees to funding same?

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Ridiculous as it may be, the truth is that this has zero to do with the amount of oil spilled and everything to do with the fact that this incident has, now become the cause celebre for that group of truth twisting anti oil individuals to use against the building of pipelines or, the use of any Canadian Ports as terminals for the export of evil oil.

These people don't want to hear any silly facts like, originally the source of the contamination couldn't be positively identified or even what type of fuel it was that leaked. They only want to be able to use this accident to show that if one "ship" had a malfunction that led to a spill, all ships will have malfunctions that will lead to spills and since tankers carry more oil than other ships their spills must be larger and more devastating.

If you were to use this wildly imaginative form of projection in other aspects of life we could inaccurately surmise that if one person commits murder all people will commit murder or, if one anti oil advocate is arrested all anti oil advocates will be arrested, or if one person drives drunk all people will driver drunk.

Hell, the possibilities are as endless as they are ridiculous which, is what makes assumptions like this so untenable.

That's pretty much the Conservative point of view wrapped up right there. And it's the reason you'll never see the pipelines in BC built under this government.

Watch if we ever get dilbit carriers out of Vancouver and one causes a spill around Victoria. FOG will have to change his initials to HOG.

[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Ridiculous as it may be, the truth is that this has zero to do with the amount of oil spilled and everything to do with the fact that this incident has, now become the cause celebre for that group of truth twisting anti oil individuals to use against the building of pipelines or, the use of any Canadian Ports as terminals for the export of evil oil.

These people don't want to hear any silly facts like, originally the source of the contamination couldn't be positively identified or even what type of fuel it was that leaked. They only want to be able to use this accident to show that if one "ship" had a malfunction that led to a spill, all ships will have malfunctions that will lead to spills and since tankers carry more oil than other ships their spills must be larger and more devastating.

If you were to use this wildly imaginative form of projection in other aspects of life we could inaccurately surmise that if one person commits murder all people will commit murder or, if one anti oil advocate is arrested all anti oil advocates will be arrested, or if one person drives drunk all people will driver drunk.

Hell, the possibilities are as endless as they are ridiculous which, is what makes assumptions like this so untenable.

That's pretty much the Conservative point of view wrapped up right there. .

Is it a point of view or is it a fact?


But you're right about one thing. There's no Government will in this province to build anything that might interfere with re-election whether it might benefit us, the rest of Canada or not.

[Freakinoldguy]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

14 barrels of oil sorry this whole thing is ridiculous.

Ridiculous as it may be, the truth is that this has zero to do with the amount of oil spilled and everything to do with the fact that this incident has, now become the cause celebre for that group of truth twisting anti oil individuals to use against the building of pipelines or, the use of any Canadian Ports as terminals for the export of evil oil.

These people don't want to hear any silly facts like, originally the source of the contamination couldn't be positively identified or even what type of fuel it was that leaked. They only want to be able to use this accident to show that if one "ship" had a malfunction that led to a spill, all ships will have malfunctions that will lead to spills and since tankers carry more oil than other ships their spills must be larger and more devastating.

If you were to use this wildly imaginative form of projection in other aspects of life we could inaccurately surmise that if one person commits murder all people will commit murder or, if one anti oil advocate is arrested all anti oil advocates will be arrested, or if one person drives drunk all people will driver drunk.

Hell, the possibilities are as endless as they are ridiculous which, is what makes assumptions like this so untenable.

No kidding, it seems like about half the people commenting on the articles think its an oil tanker that is leaking.

And I can't understand why the CG is taking so much heat, is there not something like a port authority that calls the shots?

Exactly. As for the response being inadequate or non existent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3029124

[quote]Could Canadian maritime law be improved to prevent incidents like this from happening again?

International shipping is an integral part of our economy. Shipping cannot be conducted without some degree of risk. All we can do as Canadians is minimize the risk and ensure that when the risks turn into realities, there is a response prepared and in position to minimize the impact of the incident.That is exactly what happened in this particular case. Relatively speaking, it's a non-event./quote]

Of course he must be wrong because he can't possibly understand the agonies that the good people of Vancouver are going through after being subjected to such a enormous catastrophe.

Yup, no other agenda's at play here.

[andyt]

Really, 6 hours to do anything is adequate? The only people saying the response was adequate are the feds and the ReformaKool-Aid drinkers.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Ridiculous as it may be, the truth is that this has zero to do with the amount of oil spilled and everything to do with the fact that this incident has, now become the cause celebre for that group of truth twisting anti oil individuals to use against the building of pipelines or, the use of any Canadian Ports as terminals for the export of evil oil.

These people don't want to hear any silly facts like, originally the source of the contamination couldn't be positively identified or even what type of fuel it was that leaked. They only want to be able to use this accident to show that if one "ship" had a malfunction that led to a spill, all ships will have malfunctions that will lead to spills and since tankers carry more oil than other ships their spills must be larger and more devastating.

If you were to use this wildly imaginative form of projection in other aspects of life we could inaccurately surmise that if one person commits murder all people will commit murder or, if one anti oil advocate is arrested all anti oil advocates will be arrested, or if one person drives drunk all people will driver drunk.

Hell, the possibilities are as endless as they are ridiculous which, is what makes assumptions like this so untenable.

That's pretty much the Conservative point of view wrapped up right there. And it's the reason you'll never see the pipelines in BC built under this government.

Watch if we ever get dilbit carriers out of Vancouver and one causes a spill around Victoria. FOG will have to change his initials to HOG.

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Fair enough but if that scenario doesn't come to pass will you change your name and avatar to "Chicken Little"?

[andyt]

So don't worry unless it happens. Will you change your name to Pollyanna?

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Really, 6 hours to do anything is adequate? The only people saying the response was adequate are the feds and their bum boys.

nailed it.

So everyone who disagrees with you and your point of view is a gov't bum boy?

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

So don't worry unless it happens. Will you change your name to Pollyanna?

Is that the best you've got? Pollyanna, really.

What the fuck are you 12 years old? You continually attempt to insult people when you're arguments and logic fail but just like your position on most everything it's nothing more gibberish.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

Really, 6 hours to do anything is adequate? The only people saying the response was adequate are the feds and their bum boys.

nailed it.

So everyone who disagrees with you and your point of view is a gov't bum boy?

Changed it to ReformaKool-Aid drinkers, and yes, those are the only voices I've heard shrugging off this incident. Well and the Coast Guard and Port Authority, they may not all be Reformacons, but they do obey their masters, have a vested interest in minimizing this.

You just can't get around the fact that response was slow and communication poor. Doesn't matter if the spill was minor, the response was poor. And James Moore claiming it was world class isn't going to re-assure people that this will be treated as a learning opportunity.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

So don't worry unless it happens. Will you change your name to Pollyanna?

Is that the best you've got? Pollyanna, really.

What the fuck are you 12 years old? You continually attempt to insult people when you're arguments and logic fail but just like your position on most everything it's nothing more gibberish.

Irony deficient, are we? Maybe up the Geritrol.

So your chicken little comment was incisive, but pollyanna is an insult?

[andyt]

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[Jabberwalker]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Fair enough since they confirmed today but, I'll standby my claim that far to many people are making political hay with this spill and not enough are genuinely concerned about the environment because, to be honest this wasn't a major spill but, you'd think from the comments from the politicians and public officials that it was another second Exxon Valdez and English Bay/Vancouver is now going to be uninhabitable for the next 1000 years.

A couple of drums of Sea Clean would take care of that slick, right quick.

Don't eat any crabs from English Bay for a while, though.