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[raydan]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Hey Ray, tell them who we are!"

"Flushed down the tube"

Why me?

[FinnyTheDog]

raydan raydan:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Hey Ray, tell them who we are!"

Why me?

Ray "Eye Patch" Sawyer - vocalist with Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show

[raydan]

Tongue in cheek - figure of speech used to imply that a statement or other production is humorously or otherwise not seriously intended, and it should not be taken at face value

[andyt]

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andyt andyt:

It's not acceptable to see men falsely accused as the collateral damage in the fight against rape.

You told me you'd rather 100 molesters be free. I don't think your stance cares about "collateral damage" for anyone but men.

It's what our justice system is based on - innocent until proven guilty.

[andyt]

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andyt andyt:

The line is that it can be proven in court, beyond a reasonable doubt that they lied intentionally. Same standard as any other crime.

So the onus is on the man or the woman for the false rape charge? We already have one avenue for grinding women down, so I wonder if we need two.

[andyt]

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If we're going to have an awful society, then I'm just suggesting that during these false rape cases we go full broke and let defense lawyers aggressively slam them as rapists, manipulators, deviants during cross examination until they break down and cry and beg you to fucking shut up.

Slam who, the accuser. The accuser in this case would be the state, not the person falsely accused. And the defense lawyer would try his best to prove rape occurred, including a tough grilling of the person against whom the charge was made, so what you are suggesting is indeed what would happen.

[BRAH]

[DrCaleb]

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You literally feel one article sullies their ability to continue to impress you? Be more positive dude. You'll have nothing to turn to if you are that unwavering.

Yes! It's not the article, it the fact they specifically set aside everything that makes for good investigative reporting because they didn't want to 'offend' "Jackie" by calling her story into question.

Good reporting requires that everything be questioned. It doesn't have to be done rudely, or callously, or disrespectfully, but it has to be done!

Like Bart alluded to before, if he can be out of the country, but still accused of sexual harassment and have that permanently on his work record simply because people refuse to check obvious little things like "was he physically present at the time", that puts 'justice' into disrepute. Guilt is presumed, innocence must be proven, and the accusation is a sentence in itself.

[Zipperfish]

It was garbage reporting. The journalist never even attempted to ground-truth the facts. The editors didn't do their job either. I agree with Thanos--it's disgraceful that no one's head rolls after this debacle.

That said, we are at somewhat of a cultural awakening with respect to sexual abuse. Cosby operated for decades (allegedly) and there was never a peep. I'm sure people must have known about it--and not just the victims. I've always been amzed by how many women I know who have been raped or sexually assaulted while drunk at a party, usually by people they know. We need to change that culture so that predators who hunt vulnerable women can't operate, while at the same time shutting down the "all sex is rape" feminazis.

As a boy it's tough. First off the rule should be Aretha Frnaklin's "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." But instead they are subject to a completely sexualized culture withnot very talented dirty girls strutting and twerking through their crappy videos.

[BartSimpson]

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You literally feel one article sullies their ability to continue to impress you?

Yes. Because this lie was egregious and over-the-top in terms of the malfeasance and malice aforethought involved. Meaning that it was so beyond the pale that it was caught and found out.

So how many stories have they done where they've subtly twisted the story, omitted key facts, or simply made them up?

In short, they can't be trusted anymore.

[Regina]

I wouldn't consider the Rolling Stones rag in the same league as a Time magazine for news and journalism, but they should have done a better job here. Maybe they should stick to Arts and Entertainment. Interviewing "The Beav" may be more their league?

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

I wouldn't consider the Rolling Stones rag in the same league as a Time magazine for news and journalism, but they should have done a better job here. Maybe they should stick to Arts and Entertainment. Interviewing "The Beav" may be more their league?

Concur.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It was garbage reporting. The journalist never even attempted to ground-truth the facts. The editors didn't do their job either. I agree with Thanos--it's disgraceful that no one's head rolls after this debacle.

That said, we are at somewhat of a cultural awakening with respect to sexual abuse. Cosby operated for decades (allegedly) and there was never a peep. I'm sure people must have known about it--and not just the victims. I've always been amzed by how many women I know who have been raped or sexually assaulted while drunk at a party, usually by people they know. We need to change that culture so that predators who hunt vulnerable women can't operate, while at the same time shutting down the "all sex is rape" feminazis.

As a boy it's tough. First off the rule should be Aretha Frnaklin's "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." But instead they are subject to a completely sexualized culture withnot very talented dirty girls strutting and twerking through their crappy videos.

How do you change that culture. We have murders, does that mean we have a murder culture? Is our culture really accepting of rape?

As for sexualized culture, we have it right here on CKA, as Wildrose Girl has pointed out. We could start right there.

Maybe it's time to change the culture where men are supposed to be the initiator, while women wait. IT does seem to make some men think they just have to keep pushing, and if you look around, it seems to work for them, some women do seem to want to be pushed from no to yes. So maybe women need to change here, reject the pushy guys and become more the initiators. Then there's less doubt about what she wants.

I think the onus lies on women to be more careful. We can whine about victim blaming, and how things should be, but if rape is so pervasive in society, then it's time women took care to protect themselves, since there's nobody around who can help them at the time. Maybe that includes not getting so drunk that they don't know what they're doing, maybe it means checking guys out better before they spend time alone with them.

Women say men should prevent men from raping - how do we do that?

As Bart has pointed out, we already have a legal system biased towards accusers of sexual assault. They can make false claims with impunity. WE have the double standard where a woman who's had a few drinks is deemed rape because she is said to not be able to give consent,, but for men, being drunk is no excuse for acting without consent. We have the meme "why would women lie?" who knows but some do.

I don't know any man who treats rape as no big deal, who supports rape culture. No doubt they are out there.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

As for sexualized culture, we have it right here on CKA, as Wildrose Girl has pointed out. We could start right there.

Maybe it's time to change the culture where men are supposed to be the initiator, while women wait.

Interesting point. I recall one of our posters (Megan?) was posting something sort of risqué and she was denounced as "Slutty" by a couple of the women on this site who are usually first in line to denounce anyone else calling a slut a slut.