[Freakinoldguy]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

andyt andyt:

certainly a good plan for the funeral business.

So be it then. If someone wants to eat themself to death let them. Why should our health care system be drained by someone that causes themself a condition that is 100% preventable.

That's a great idea especially since not only the obese could be targeted. The practice could be applied to other health issues like organ damage, joint damage, communicable diseases, cancers and any other health issue that could have been averted had the person not partaken in their dangerous lifestyle.

So, no more subsidised health care for addicts, no more subsidised health care for alcoholics, no more subsidised health care for most cancer patients, no more health care for prisoners, no more treatment for the myriad of social diseases that people acquire from their lifestyles and best of all we could finally put the alleged myth that treating the homeless, drug addicts and alcoholics living on the streets is cheaper than waiting till they get really sick to rest. We just wouldn't treat them anymore.

But if you want to know why the real costs of health care are so high this article may help explain it and I didn't see obese people or fast food mentioned once in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/trudy-lieb ... 97808.html


BTW I'm not obese, don't eat fast foods and exercise a minimum of 1/2 hour a day so I have no real dog in this fight other than the fact that as a former smoker I understand that the social engineers look for excuses to impose their will and morals on others through programs just like this. And for the record Yogi is right but he just didn't go far enough because when they get rid of fast food it'll be red meat etc etc and the march will continue till they have what they really want. Total control of the population including all aspects of their lifestyle and personal choices.

[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Total control of the population including all aspects of their lifestyle and personal choices.

The nanny state dystopia: Everything not forbidden is mandatory.

[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Total control of the population including all aspects of their lifestyle and personal choices.

The nanny state dystopia: Everything not forbidden is mandatory.

[wildrosegirl]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

andyt andyt:

certainly a good plan for the funeral business.

So be it then. If someone wants to eat themself to death let them. Why should our health care system be drained by someone that causes themself a condition that is 100% preventable.

That's a great idea especially since not only the obese could be targeted. The practice could be applied to other health issues like organ damage, joint damage, communicable diseases, cancers and any other health issue that could have been averted had the person not partaken in their dangerous lifestyle.

So, no more subsidised health care for addicts, no more subsidised health care for alcoholics, no more subsidised health care for most cancer patients, no more health care for prisoners, no more treatment for the myriad of social diseases that people acquire from their lifestyles and best of all we could finally put the alleged myth that treating the homeless, drug addicts and alcoholics living on the streets is cheaper than waiting till they get really sick to rest. We just wouldn't treat them anymore.

But if you want to know why the real costs of health care are so high this article may help explain it and I didn't see obese people or fast food mentioned once in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/trudy-lieb ... 97808.html


BTW I'm not obese, don't eat fast foods and exercise a minimum of 1/2 hour a day so I have no real dog in this fight other than the fact that as a former smoker I understand that the social engineers look for excuses to impose their will and morals on others through programs just like this. And for the record Yogi is right but he just didn't go far enough because when they get rid of fast food it'll be red meat etc etc and the march will continue till they have what they really want. Total control of the population including all aspects of their lifestyle and personal choices.

You didn't read my first post.

[Zipperfish]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

You didn't read my first post.

yes I did. Mon Sept 18, 2006:

$1:

In a nutshell - WE HAVE:oil, we have natural gas, we have water, we have lumber, we have coal, we have fish, we have plenty of space and clean air (Vancouver aside). THEY HAVE: a really good military

Conclusion? We win!

[herbie]

I was on the college rugby team, played rec hockey and football when I was in my 20s and went to get a taxi endorsement on my driver's license. The guy did my test then took me into his office and told me I'd require a doctors note as I was morbidly obese.
- So I grabbed all the paperwork off his desk, saw no one looking and punched him square in the face. Put the fucker right out cold.
Then I quickly left.
You willing to let assholes like him decide who's fat and what is junk food? A Maple Leaf tubesteak won't be taxes but a stick of landjager will. Stamp "Power Bar" on an O Henry and no tax. Clamato juice will be taxed but take out the clam and it's okay.
You'll see new Pizza Hut $500, $500, $500 ads on tv every three minutes
STFU about taxing anything new, or you'll be sorry.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

That's a great idea especially since not only the obese could be targeted. The practice could be applied to other health issues like organ damage, joint damage, communicable diseases, cancers and any other health issue that could have been averted had the person not partaken in their dangerous lifestyle.

So, no more subsidised health care for addicts, no more subsidised health care for alcoholics, no more subsidised health care for most cancer patients, no more health care for prisoners, no more treatment for the myriad of social diseases that people acquire from their lifestyles and best of all we could finally put the alleged myth that treating the homeless, drug addicts and alcoholics living on the streets is cheaper than waiting till they get really sick to rest. We just wouldn't treat them anymore.

But if you want to know why the real costs of health care are so high this article may help explain it and I didn't see obese people or fast food mentioned once in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/trudy-lieb ... 97808.html


BTW I'm not obese, don't eat fast foods and exercise a minimum of 1/2 hour a day so I have no real dog in this fight other than the fact that as a former smoker I understand that the social engineers look for excuses to impose their will and morals on others through programs just like this. And for the record Yogi is right but he just didn't go far enough because when they get rid of fast food it'll be red meat etc etc and the march will continue till they have what they really want. Total control of the population including all aspects of their lifestyle and personal choices.

There are lots of skinny "unwell" people out there . People who don't move their bodies enough, people who sit all day at their jobs. There are fit people who drive like idiots and cost the system plenty. Should they be denied health care? And so forth.

Taxing added sugar, fat and salt is easy peasy. Nothign about labelling - you add more than a certain amount of those substances to food, you pay a tax. One that makes food high in those substances a bit more expensive. Foods naturally high in those substances, you leave alone. NO way they can reach the level that adding those substances can reach.

Then use the money to subsidize fruit and vegetable production in Canada. As I said, freeze that food since we can't grow it all year. Frozen can be as good or better than "fresh" produce that's picked green and shipped long distances.

[Freakinoldguy]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

You didn't read my first post

As a matter of fact I did and TBH I'm not really clear what position you're in favour of.

So for my own satisfaction could you clarify. Is it Fat people = no health care or, leave obese people and all people the fek alone and let them live their lives because none of them are draining the health care system anymore than drug addicts, alcoholics, other people with preventable diseases or the population in general who, seem to abuse the system continually as pointed out in the article.

And, if I was to hazard a guess I'd say that since obese people normally die much earlier than healthy fit people they're actually less of a burden on the system than some skinny minny, granola crunching, grass eating twits who live well into their 90's while suffering from terminal, costly and debilitating old age illnesses for the last 25 years of life.

Like it or not, Universal Health Care is what it means. Universal. Not just Universal for some based on what a certain segment of society perceives as fair. So until they change the mandate for health care we'll just have to suck it up and pay for all the people who have abused their bodies, minds and souls as distasteful as it may be for some.

Universal Health care is the only thing the Socialists have ever given us that was worth a pinch of coon crap and dismantling it by breaking the sacred oath just to save a buck is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Universal Health care is the only thing the Socialists have ever given us that was worth a pinch of coon crap and dismantling it by breaking the sacred oath just to save a buck is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Don't think much of universal education? CPP? Fire, police, military? And so on. Those are all socialist in the sense we all pay for them collectively. Impossible to run a modern country by pure capitalist means.

If you mean Canadian socialists bringing in healthcare, we'v never had a CCF/NDP federal government.

My point being that socialism, in the broad sense I use it above, does at leas as much for us as me first capitalism. As always it's getting the balance right. That may even mean bringing in a greater private component to health care, the way the Europeans do. But then they don't have to worry about the camel down south that as soon as you let it's nose in will push all the way into the tent.

[herbie]

We never needed to have an NDP/CCF gov't. We probably would've if hadn't had the Libs with enough brains to steal their ideas.
Ease off oldguy. The thing other thing the socialists gave (when they were around) was a pension. The only thing 20 years as a capitalist/employer/stockholder gave me was the ability to live on half a pension....

[Jabberwalker]

Regina Regina:

Because of the genetics we are born with, some people don't get fat eating "junk" food.

Those people would be thinned out in an environmental disaster like an ice advance, as they wouldn't store enough energy to survive a "feast-or-famine" situation. I'll bet that populations that seem to get fat easily (like some of the First Nations people)are descended from people who have experienced starvation in the past and the survivors passed on genes that made them store more and make better use of what they take in.

[Yogi]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Regina Regina:

Because of the genetics we are born with, some people don't get fat eating "junk" food.

Those people would be thinned out in an environmental disaster like an ice advance, as they wouldn't store enough energy to survive a "feast-or-famine" situation. I'll bet that populations that seem to get fat easily (like some of the First Nations people)are descended from people who have experienced starvation in the past and the survivors passed on genes that made them store more and make better use of what they take in.[/quote]

[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

We never needed to have an NDP/CCF gov't. We probably would've if hadn't had the Libs with enough brains to steal their ideas.
Ease off oldguy. The thing other thing the socialists gave (when they were around) was a pension. The only thing 20 years as a capitalist/employer/stockholder gave me was the ability to live on half a pension....

Technically no socialist ever gave us anything let alone pensions. It was either the liberals or conservatives who stole their only realistic ideas and implemented them as their own.

[wildrosegirl]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

You didn't read my first post

As a matter of fact I did and TBH I'm not really clear what position you're in favour of.

So for my own satisfaction could you clarify. Is it Fat people = no health care or, leave obese people and all people the fek alone and let them live their lives because none of them are draining the health care system anymore than drug addicts, alcoholics, other people with preventable diseases or the population in general who, seem to abuse the system continually as pointed out in the article.

And, if I was to hazard a guess I'd say that since obese people normally die much earlier than healthy fit people they're actually less of a burden on the system than some skinny minny, granola crunching, grass eating twits who live well into their 90's while suffering from terminal, costly and debilitating old age illnesses for the last 25 years of life.

Like it or not, Universal Health Care is what it means. Universal. Not just Universal for some based on what a certain segment of society perceives as fair. So until they change the mandate for health care we'll just have to suck it up and pay for all the people who have abused their bodies, minds and souls as distasteful as it may be for some.

Universal Health care is the only thing the Socialists have ever given us that was worth a pinch of coon crap and dismantling it by breaking the sacred oath just to save a buck is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's quite simply, that a doctor will be appointed to you to help you overcome your problem. If you REFUSE to overcome it, sucks to be you until you get your head out of your ass.
I don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't have an issue with the same for druggies either. We'll help you. If you refuse, you're on your own until you straighten out. It's called accountability. I kinda like it.

On the flip side here, something you probably haven't considered, many cases start at birth, induced by the parents. Shitty eating habits, boxed/bagged food because they're too lazy to cook for their kids, etc., etc. This would also put some accountability on them and possibly correct the pathetic, lazy parenting practices, and out of control health issues in young people, that are plaguing this earth. Actually, I shouldn't segregate parents. Far too many people in general are in the disgusting shape they are because of pure laziness. Not only would it lessen the obesity rate, but diabetes, heart disease... yadda, yadda.

Is it perfect? Of course not. I just don't think it's a totally bad idea.

[Freakinoldguy]

$1:

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

It's quite simply, that a doctor will be appointed to you to help you overcome your problem. If you REFUSE to overcome it, sucks to be you until you get your head out of your ass.
I don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't have an issue with the same for druggies either. We'll help you. If you refuse, you're on your own until you straighten out. It's called accountability. I kinda like it.

On the flip side here, something you probably haven't considered, many cases start at birth, induced by the parents. Shitty eating habits, boxed/bagged food because they're too lazy to cook for their kids, etc., etc. This would also put some accountability on them and possibly correct the pathetic, lazy parenting practices, and out of control health issues in young people, that are plaguing this earth. Actually, I shouldn't segregate parents. Far too many people in general are in the disgusting shape they are because of pure laziness. Not only would it lessen the obesity rate, but diabetes, heart disease... yadda, yadda.

Is it perfect? Of course not. I just don't think it's a totally bad idea./quote]

Good luck with that one. Society as a whole is now pretty much unaccountable for any of their actions so, trying to make one portion of it take responsibility for the result of those actions would take an act of God, not Government.

It's one of those things that looks good on paper but would never work. Besides if you want to save a buck on health care there are numerous other avenues that would be more effective than singling out one segment of society.