[Unsound]

Are these guys beiing punished for what they said, or for being stupid enough to say it on facebook?

[Delwin]

They are being punished because they got caught up in an old fashioned witch hunt. Jan.3 was Jospeh McCarthy's birthday. Happy B-Day Joe.

[Xort]

I support this trial of letting the patients run the asylum.
Maybe in time we collectively might learn something.

[DrCaleb]

Delwin Delwin:

They are being punished because they got caught up in an old fashioned witch hunt. Jan.3 was Jospeh McCarthy's birthday. Happy B-Day Joe.

They are being punished because what they did was extremely unprofessional for a locker room, let alone for a medical profession like 'dentist'.

I don't know any profession where you could sit in a boardroom and have a Powerpoint presentation on:

'Which Colleague would you like to hate fuck?

1) Julie in Accounting
2) Marie in the mail room
. . '

With Juile, Marie and all the others in the room, and keep your job. What makes them special? The fact they haven't been expelled yet is surprising to me.

[Xort]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They are being punished because what they did was extremely unprofessional for a locker room, let alone for a medical profession like 'dentist'.

They are being punished by the school for activities that didn't take place in the school.

Can we expect schools to suspend students that attend protests that turn violent? How about for making statements of genocide and murder like environmentalists and communists do?

Maybe just being a MRA is enough.

$1:

I don't know any profession where you could sit in a boardroom and have a Powerpoint presentation on:
'Which Colleague would you like to hate fuck?
1) Julie in Accounting
2) Marie in the mail room
. . '
With Juile, Marie and all the others in the room, and keep your job. What makes them special? The fact they haven't been expelled yet is surprising to me.

Well this wasn't in a boardroom, it was on facebook.

I'm surprised the school after it's action is still recognized by the government and accepted by it's peer institutions as anything more than a clown college infested with feminists.

[Unsound]

I think this actually part of a larger issue of trying to figure out what counts as the private and the public these days.

These kind of comments, while boorish, are not exactly a new or uncommon kind of thing. I'm pretty sure every man on this site had has conversations that wandered into the same type of territory. The difference being that we most likely did it in a locker room or sitting in a bar or around a campfire, or whatever.

These guys did it where others could see it, and forward it n to the "victims".

The question isn;t so much whether what they said was "wrong" as whether the manner of saying it was wrong. Do facebook posts count as public statements the same as if these guys had a grabbed a mic in the cafeteria and said these things? If so, then they certainly deserve some type of discipline. Or is more like a private conversation? In which case it's not really the business of the school or the authorities.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They are being punished because what they did was extremely unprofessional for a locker room, let alone for a medical profession like 'dentist'.

I don't know any profession where you could sit in a boardroom and have a Powerpoint presentation on:

'Which Colleague would you like to hate fuck?

1) Julie in Accounting
2) Marie in the mail room
. . '

With Juile, Marie and all the others in the room, and keep your job. What makes them special? The fact they haven't been expelled yet is surprising to me.

Due process. You need a reason to expel someone.

[DrCaleb]

Xort Xort:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They are being punished because what they did was extremely unprofessional for a locker room, let alone for a medical profession like 'dentist'.

They are being punished by the school for activities that didn't take place in the school.

It took place involving classmates. It implied sexual violence against those classmates. Good enough for Jian Ghomeshi, good enough for Dentistry students.

Xort Xort:

Can we expect schools to suspend students that attend protests that turn violent?

How about for making statements of genocide and murder like environmentalists and communists do?

You couldn't come up with better examples of Argument to Moderation? I know, let's kick out all University students that jaywalk, not just the ones that crossed on a flashing 'do not walk' light! That will make implied sexual violence acceptable!

Xort Xort:

$1:

I don't know any profession where you could sit in a boardroom and have a Powerpoint presentation on:
'Which Colleague would you like to hate fuck?
1) Julie in Accounting
2) Marie in the mail room
. . '
With Juile, Marie and all the others in the room, and keep your job. What makes them special? The fact they haven't been expelled yet is surprising to me.

Well this wasn't in a boardroom, it was on facebook.

To modern youth, there is little difference. Except the boardroom is private, not public.

Xort Xort:

I'm surprised the school after it's action is still recognized by the government and accepted by it's peer institutions as anything more than a clown college infested with feminists.

Ahh yes, blame the feminists for not wanting to get raped. It's all their fault anyway. They shouldn't dress that way . . .

[DrCaleb]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They are being punished because what they did was extremely unprofessional for a locker room, let alone for a medical profession like 'dentist'.

I don't know any profession where you could sit in a boardroom and have a Powerpoint presentation on:

'Which Colleague would you like to hate fuck?

1) Julie in Accounting
2) Marie in the mail room
. . '

With Juile, Marie and all the others in the room, and keep your job. What makes them special? The fact they haven't been expelled yet is surprising to me.

Due process. You need a reason to expel someone.

In a University, there is a code of ethics, and violations can mean expulsion.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

In a University, there is a code of ethics, and violations can mean expulsion.

There is indeed a Code of Ethics. That Code of Ethics does not trump the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, however. In this case, as far as I can tell, these students are in trouble for regurgitating jokes that can commonly be found on in TV and the movies--namely Family Guy and Seth Rogan movies.

If the University wants to spank their pee-pees or engage in the modern version of a public caning, fine. But as far as any expulsion or suspension goes, if I were those students, I'd be lawyering up.

There is hardly a more craven group in the world than university administrators. As you know, I am not particualrly inclined to the political right, however I am disgusted when these administrtors use the heavy hand of the law to silence abortion protestors or use their power to bar right-wing figures from speaking on their campuses.

[DrCaleb]

True enough!

Edit:

It's not the chloroform jokes that I'm objecting to (I find them funny as well). it's shit like this:



(with pictures of actual classmates)

[Zipperfish]

Weird that they won't release their names. I thought name and shame would hav ebeen appropriate.

[PluggyRug]

Well they have had their teeth pulled.

[Xort]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It took place involving classmates. It implied sexual violence against those classmates. Good enough for Jian Ghomeshi, good enough for Dentistry students.

Implied sexual violence?

If their was a threat made that would be a crime. If someone was attacked that would be both violence and a crime.

But that didn't happen. So what it comes back to is nothing.

$1:

You couldn't come up with better examples of Argument to Moderation? I know, let's kick out all University students that jaywalk, not just the ones that crossed on a flashing 'do not walk' light! That will make implied sexual violence acceptable!

Implied sexual violence. MAO.

Yes any crime or code violence isn't acceptable! Even if what someone did wasn't a crime we should punishment to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars and years of time wasted.

After all "it's completely unacceptable that you would think you could get away with saying that, let alone thinking it" what leftism all come back to is thought control.

Let alone thinking it. You can't even think something they don't like.

$1:

Ahh yes, blame the feminists for not wanting to get raped. It's all their fault anyway. They shouldn't dress that way . . .

Who was raped? No one that's who.
How about we blame feminists taking offense on behalf of someone else?

Simply put if a student committed a crime, after being convicted in a court of law the school may take action against a student IF they are now an unacceptable risk to other students or staff.

[andyt]

Unsound Unsound:

I'm pretty sure every man on this site had has conversations that wandered into the same type of territory.

Do facebook posts count as public statements the same as if these guys had a grabbed a mic in the cafeteria and said these things? If so, then they certainly deserve some type of discipline. Or is more like a private conversation? In which case it's not really the business of the school or the authorities.

Really? You've talked about wanting to hate fuck and rape women? If these guys had just talked about which of their classmates they'd most like to fuck, I would have no sympathy for people hounding them. Both men and women talk that way, what's called objectification, but is really just normal biology talking. But hate fucking and raping, not so much.

As some point, ie when she gets older, men, maybe even women, will talk about your daughter and how they'd like to fuck her. Seems to just be part of the territory. But how would you feel, or your daughter feel, if people she was in class with every day, talked about hate fucking or raping her?

People have been fired for their facebook comments about their employers, and this has been upheld in court. I guess that question is settled.