[andyt]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

What the West believes is showing restraint, they see as inaction brought on by weakness. Something to be exploited, and so they are emboldened and encouraged to escalate matters.

So how would we stop showing restraint against the homegrown jihadis? In a way that would actually reduce the threat, ie stop them before they act. Stringing em up afterward isn't going to cut it.

[ShepherdsDog]

It's the perfect example of not fighting by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules when engaged in a street brawl.

[Canadian_Mind]

I agree with Dr. Caleb and Shep. For some reason I can't rep both.

Andy, it pleases me that your gut reaction wasn't to try and appease them. I consider your view points as representative of the more conforming and less confrontational segment of our society. That you consider this a problem that needs to be engaged, even if engaged softly, brings me great comfort and confidence that we as a country will come out on top and better for it. For that I thank you.

[andyt]

You're welcome. Tho I'm not all that soft. For instance I've talked about having people monitor what's said in mosques. I only pointed out, that if we do that, fair is fair, we'd have to do it to other institutions.

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country. Are we really willing to relinquish rule of law to have a perfectly safe society. As Franklin said, then we wouldn't deserve it, or better yet, we wouldn't have it anyway.

Mainly, we should be drastically reducing immigration, and taking a much closer look at the people we do let in. Not a blanket ban on Muslims, but much more vetting of all immigrants. That's not a soft policy either, but it's not about vigilantism. Which will just corrupt our society. I hope the govt has the sense to make sure that people who take the law into their own hands continue to be treated just as much as criminals as anybody else.

[martin14]

Our precious little jihadi already had his passport revoked.
Would have been better to let him go and get himself killed in Syria.

The RCMP should haul in the other 90 jihadis they know about, give them

a nice interview and just mention ' see, if you do something, we will kill you. '


Next some brilliantly retarded liberal will come up with the idea that soldiers
shouldn't wear their uniforms off base.

I'll just remind everyone that Lee Rigby wasn't in uniform, he was spotted
leaving the barracks. He was wearing a 'Help for Heroes' sweatshirt.


Look like this.






So that idea just doesn't work, and it's a repulsive idea anyway.
Soldiers shouldn't have to hide.


RIP Patrice Vincent.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country.

There are differing laws for times of peace and times of war. The fact that we can return to a peaceful society with different rules after a time of conflict, is what makes us a superior nation. Canadian troops admit that they shot surrendering German soldiers, rather than take them prisoner because of expediency. Are we any worse off because of that? No. Make no mistake, just as the Second World War was about two competing ideologies, so too is the battle we are engaged in with the radical Islamists. It's an us or them situation and sometimes you have to get your hands dirty or you end up the loser. They are unable to comprehend a live and let live way of life. Only a fool.....never mind....would believe otherwise.

The trouble with naive idealists as opposed to hard nosed realists is that we unfortunately don';t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Mainly, we should be drastically reducing immigration, and taking a much closer look at the people we do let in. Not a blanket ban on Muslims, but much more vetting of all immigrants.

Why not a blanket ban on moslems? We have blanket bans on Nazis and when we find them out we deport them because their beliefs are incompatible with ours.

As the moslems themselves keep telling us their pestilential religion is incompatible with Western civilization and they won't stop waging war against us until either they win or we kill them.

I say we take them at their word and keep them the hell away from the adults.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country.

There are differing laws for times of peace and times of war. The fact that we can return to a peaceful society with different rules after a time of conflict, is what makes us a superior nation. . . .

The trouble with naive idealists as opposed to hard nosed realists is that we unfortunately don';t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

That ^^.

[Canadian_Mind]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country.

There are differing laws for times of peace and times of war. The fact that we can return to a peaceful society with different rules after a time of conflict, is what makes us a superior nation. . . .

The trouble with naive idealists as opposed to hard nosed realists is that we unfortunately don';t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

That ^^.

^^^

[DrCaleb]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20 ... picks=true

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/denmark-tries-a-soft-handed-approach-to-returned-islamist-fighters-sending-them-to-therapy-not-jail/?google_editors_picks=true

Can't see that flying in Canada.

[BartSimpson]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I agree with Dr. Caleb and Shep. For some reason I can't rep both.

I got Dr. C for you.

[bootlegga]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country.

There are differing laws for times of peace and times of war. The fact that we can return to a peaceful society with different rules after a time of conflict, is what makes us a superior nation. Canadian troops admit that they shot surrendering German soldiers, rather than take them prisoner because of expediency. Are we any worse off because of that? No. Make no mistake, just as the Second World War was about two competing ideologies, so too is the battle we are engaged in with the radical Islamists. It's an us or them situation and sometimes you have to get your hands dirty or you end up the loser. They are unable to comprehend a live and let live way of life. Only a fool.....never mind....would believe otherwise.

The trouble with naive idealists as opposed to hard nosed realists is that we unfortunately don';t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

Well said.

[BeaverFever]

Of note - this isn't a radical immigrant. This isn't even a muslim who became radicalised over time or who was raised in a fundtamentalist household. It seems that about a year ago this perp was just another White Christian Canadian like you our me and for unkown reasons decided he wanted to go straight from Christianity to radical islamism. He's not the first of this kind. Very strange phenomenon and I wonder if there's a mental health angle or if 'going islamist' is the 21st centry version of 'going postal' or pulling off a Columbine.

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

If we drop out Marquess of Queensberry rules, we become a lesser country.

There are differing laws for times of peace and times of war. The fact that we can return to a peaceful society with different rules after a time of conflict, is what makes us a superior nation. Canadian troops admit that they shot surrendering German soldiers, rather than take them prisoner because of expediency. Are we any worse off because of that? No. Make no mistake, just as the Second World War was about two competing ideologies, so too is the battle we are engaged in with the radical Islamists. It's an us or them situation and sometimes you have to get your hands dirty or you end up the loser. They are unable to comprehend a live and let live way of life. Only a fool.....never mind....would believe otherwise.

The trouble with naive idealists as opposed to hard nosed realists is that we unfortunately don';t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

You're right that there are 2 competing ideologies battling for ascendancy right now, but where you're wrong is that you think it's a battle of existence between Islam and the West. In relaity it's a battle WITHIN Islam between radicals and moderates. The people who are being massacred by Islamists are almost all Muslims and almost all the violence is happening in muslim countries in battles fought over territory in said countyr. That's where the "war" is.

ISIS is much less interested in the outside than world than Al Qaeda was. They're more interested in killing fellow muslims in their homeland and setting up their supposed Caliphate utopia than they are interested in fighting in the west. Not only that, but they're highly factionalized and have no central leadership and often fight among themselves.In fact, if there's any silver lining, it's that this conflict may be drawing Islamists OUT of Canada to go fight and die in some foreign meat-grinder and never come back.

As far as the West is concerned, we're really on the sidelines of this conflict. It's not like islamists are going to storm North American beaches while Islmaist stealth bombers pound our cities, overwhelm our military and reduce our buildings to rubble. The most they can do is annoy us by picking off a handfull of our citizens every once in a while as targets of opportunity, on our home soil its done mostly by self-styled home-grown wannabe ammateurs, not agents of some terrorist commander overseas. Terrorist attacks are cause for public outrage and they demand swift and harsh punnishment. But they are not an existential threat by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not scared.