[2Cdo]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Actually most of them are or maybe I should say were. Now there seems to be a plethora of narcissists, thugs, bullies and just plain twits in police uniform.

I've been saying it for years, it's time that "all" Canadian police forces tightened up recruiting expotentially and did alot more comprehensive tests to ascertain mental suitability for police work because the system they've got now isn't working.

My sister has been a police officer for over 20 years and she has often commented on the sheer lack of quality officers joining lately. So much so that she is considering retiring in the next few years.

[ShepherdsDog]

You could say the same about many of the professions today, including teachers, and even the military. Standards are constantly being lowered to avoid someone feeling excluded or marginalized. The lowest common denominator isn't the way to go.

[andyt]

For the police, what standards have the lowered that would lead to an increase in police assaults? Lowering the height requirements to allow women and minorities? I would think women in the force would reduce the incidents of assaults. Psychological profiling, educational requirements, have improved. So I'm not sure what selection element has been downgraded.

Probably we hear about this more because there's less tolerance in society for cops acting out. At one time the victim would have automatically been blamed, and that is often still the case. I'm not sure that cops are more assaultive at all, compared to the old days. The problem is that police forces tolerate this sort of behavior too much still, form a thin blue line, while the public doesn't anymore. To a degree. In fact, with the support of vigilantism on this board, the sentiment would be that cops should just be more selective in who they assault, to be sure to only do it to the bad guys. The cops may not always get it right. Guess they should consult with the collective wisdom of this board before laying on the shit kicking.

[Xort]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Actually most of them are or maybe I should say were.

I still think most are good people that would do the right thing. Be it tell the truth when question about the conduct of another officer, or use the most restraint safely possible when dealing with the public.

But their is also likely a lot of police that will only go so far as their own conduct. But they wouldn't step up and say another officer is doing something wrong.

Then their is an even smaller number that likely view themselves as realists, doing what 'needs' to get done to keep most of the people safe, and to go home at night and in time collect their pensions.

The almost negligently small number are actual criminals, sadists and bullies. But likely act like good LEO should.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

For the police, what standards have the lowered that would lead to an increase in police assaults? Lowering the height requirements to allow women and minorities? I would think women in the force would reduce the incidents of assaults. Psychological profiling, educational requirements, have improved. So I'm not sure what selection element has been downgraded.

Probably we hear about this more because there's less tolerance in society for cops acting out. At one time the victim would have automatically been blamed, and that is often still the case. I'm not sure that cops are more assaultive at all, compared to the old days. The problem is that police forces tolerate this sort of behavior too much still, form a thin blue line, while the public doesn't anymore. To a degree. In fact, with the support of vigilantism on this board, the sentiment would be that cops should just be more selective in who they assault, to be sure to only do it to the bad guys. The cops may not always get it right. Guess they should consult with the collective wisdom of this board before laying on the shit kicking.

There's something to be said for that. Look at Mississippi Burning. Those cops were out killing innocent people with complete impunity. I don't think you'd find that these days.

Everything's on camera now.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everything's on camera now.

Not everything. And some cops want to keep it that way and that's why they'll beat people down for getting their antics on video.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=be ... ing+police

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

For the police, what standards have the lowered that would lead to an increase in police assaults? Lowering the height requirements to allow women and minorities? I would think women in the force would reduce the incidents of assaults. Psychological profiling, educational requirements, have improved. So I'm not sure what selection element has been downgraded.

Probably we hear about this more because there's less tolerance in society for cops acting out. At one time the victim would have automatically been blamed, and that is often still the case. I'm not sure that cops are more assaultive at all, compared to the old days. The problem is that police forces tolerate this sort of behavior too much still, form a thin blue line, while the public doesn't anymore. To a degree. In fact, with the support of vigilantism on this board, the sentiment would be that cops should just be more selective in who they assault, to be sure to only do it to the bad guys. The cops may not always get it right. Guess they should consult with the collective wisdom of this board before laying on the shit kicking.

There may be less tolerance for police acting out but back in the day there were more cops like Whistling Smith and not Corporal Benjamin Robinson so your chances of survival in a confrontation with them were certainly greater than they currently are.

Back then if you got out of hand they beat the crap out of you and most times you deserved it. But, it didn't happen nearly as much as it does because rightly or wrongly people were taught respect for the police by their parents, teachers and elders. Hell once upon a time kids were told to find a police officer if they ever got in trouble, now there told never to go near one.

As for your hypothesis that women on the police force did reduce assaults. If the Vancouver City Police are any indication it did because now they just shoot first and ask questions later like the two Vancouver Officers who shot the guy with the box cutter.

$1:

Vancouver Police Const. Jana McGuinness said the man did not comply with orders to drop the knife.

More than 50 people witnessed the shooting. Some say there was no need for police to pull the trigger.



"This is not fair what the police do," said Luis Zamor, who witnessed the scene.

"Police are supposed to come out and arrest the guy, stop the guy, but he just come straight out and shoot the guy."

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/police-kill-knife- ... r-1.381256

One problem with the police I found doing the DVA hearings was that if they get hurt on the job they're basically up shit creek because they've been instructed to avoid physical confrontation unless it's an absolute last resort so, to the DVA, if you get hurt doing something you were instructed not to do it's gonna take years if not decades of hearings, appeals and legal representation to get a medical pension if you even can.

That in itself is a reason you see more tasers and guns first than you ever did in the past. Back in the day the cops used weapons as a last resort because they were large enough and belligerent enough that two of them could handle pretty much any asshole. Now if they take anyone down, it's police assault no matter what the guy was doing especially with all the camera's.

As for the mental makeup. Read Shep's post because he hit the nail on the head. The mental makeup isn't the same as it was and given the number of incidents involving bad police officers it's quite apparent that the "me first fuck you" attitude has like the rest of society pervaded police forces across the country.

Cop's were never saints and you didn't want a saint to be protecting you from the criminals but, now they've gone from being the anti hero good guys to being as bad as the ones they're supposedly protecting us from and it's a long slide that started when recruiting standards were lowered allowing mentally unfit people to be police officers just because of race, creed, colour or sex.

[Xort]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

That in itself is a reason you see more tasers and guns first than you ever did in the past. Back in the day the cops used weapons as a last resort because they were large enough and belligerent enough that two of them could handle pretty much any asshole. Now if they take anyone down, it's police assault no matter what the guy was doing especially with all the camera's.

The public is willing to accept a reasonable amount of force used by the police.

What the public is not willing to accept is the use of violence on non compliant but non violent people. They also have no acceptance for sucker punches and attacks after someone is restrained or was never violent to start with.

On the technical side, the use of neck holds and compression of the chest is unacceptable given that the goal of the police should be the least amount of force and the least possible harm done to everyone. Just about every police force bans these actions, but they seem to fail to police their own members when they violate those regulations.

[BartSimpson]

OTI,

Tell me, is my posting this video "cop bashing"? Is it cop bashing to note that too many of these people lie and conspire to convict innocent citizens?

[DrCaleb]

Internal Affairs found no evidence of wrongdoing? How odd. They must be correct.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Internal Affairs found no evidence of wrongdoing? How odd. They must be correct.

Indeed. It was a thorough investigation, they even said so!

[rickc]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Oh, and just to disabuse you of the idea that these are 'isolated incidents'...

http://www.policemisconduct.net/

$1:

Here are the 14 reports of police misconduct tracked for Friday, October 10, 2014:

And that's just for today.

And the day's not over.

Only you would know a site like that....and that was for Friday....and the day is over.

Wow, 14 incidents....of 1.1 million cops in the US....that accounts for 0.0012%. We have an epidemic! Add to that the amount of interactions and arrests....tens of millions of interactions and a small portion of misconduct. Humans make mistakes and police are no different.

Maybe you can talk this one out with your shrink on why cops make you cry.

I can assure you there were more than 14 incidents of police abusing their authority on that given day. Hundreds or thousands of incidents would be a more realistic number. That website chose those 14 because the majority of those 14 incidents resulted in police being charged, or convicted. You want to talk about small percentiles, police actually being charged for their wrong doing would fill that bill. That would be an extremely small percentile indeed. Most people never report police wrong doing because they know nothing will come from it. The person will be added to a "hit list" and find themselves constant victims of police harassment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8v7lF5ttlQ

Check out what happened when a news crew sent under cover people with hidden cameras into police stations to obtain a police complaint form. All they wanted was to be handed a simple piece of paper. What they received was intimidation, assault, and even arrest.

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