[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

And yet, the pot smokers continue with the same old song and dance...."but it's not as bad as".

That's not the point.

Damn right it's the point there, Skippy. I notice though, that you don't have a problem with the same old song and dance of the blatant lie that "It's as bad as heroin". Anyone who actually believes that has their head shoved SO far up their ass, every time they sneeze the zipper on their pants whistles.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The point is that people (and many here) have been saying that pot is harmless. It's just a plant with no adverse affects. It's all false.

No one has said it's harmless except in relative terms.

But let's look at one of the studies. Pot abuse among teenagers can result in a retarded development. Makes sense. But guess what? Alcohol abuse can have the same effect among teens. So, if we're so concerned about health and development, why not ban alcohol too?

[andyt]

To be fair, holding in pot smoke makes it worse than cigs. The estimate I've read is that one joint equals one pack. Of course that may be more sensationalism, who knows. So far tho, there is no conclusive evidence that smoking pot causes lung cancer. It needs to be investigated more. Who knows what's going on - why do moderate smokers (a few joints a week) have greater lung capacity than non-smokers? Is there some protective agent in pot?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

$1:

“It has been estimated conservatively that 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur among patients with rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis every year in the United States. This figure is similar to the number of deaths from the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome and considerably greater than the number of deaths from multiple myeloma, asthma, cervical cancer, or Hodgkin’s disease. If deaths from gastrointestinal toxic effects from NSAIDs were tabulated separately in the National Vital Statistics reports, these effects would constitute the 15th most common cause of death in the United States. Yet these toxic effects remain mainly a “silent epidemic,” with many physicians and most patients unaware of the magnitude of the problem. Furthermore the mortality statistics do not include deaths ascribed to the use of over-the-counter NSAIDS.”

http://americannutritionassociation.org ... dly-nsaids

marijuana deaths = 0. Yet you need a docs prescription for pot for pain, but not for NSAIDS. Why?

I am always amazed how a grown man makes such juvenile arguments.

You continually compare things that actually have a purpose beyond a recreational drug.

Stop with the kid-like arguments. Time to grow up and put on your man pants.

Talk about kid-like arguments. Are you suggesting that marijuana has no purpose beyond recreational use? You better go tell my doctor then because she's obviously horribly misinformed. I'm sure if you go talk to her you can straighten her out though. She should see the light when you tell her that your personal opinion trumps her medical knowledge.

[andyt]

Even if pot had no value beyond recreation, we sure don't have a problem with allowing people to smoke cigs - certainly no medicinal value and much more harmful. Same with booze - it's medicinal value is far outweighed by the medical and societal damage it does, and is far greater than pot.

If aspirin were invented today, it would never be allowed to be sold without a prescription. but we flog that shit like candy, while wringing our hands about pot.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

The estimate I've read is that one joint equals one pack.

That sounds like a bit of a stretch.

[OnTheIce]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Talk about kid-like arguments. Are you suggesting that marijuana has no purpose beyond recreational use? You better go tell my doctor then because she's obviously horribly misinformed. I'm sure if you go talk to her you can straighten her out though. She should see the light when you tell her that your personal opinion trumps her medical knowledge.

Doctors once said tobacco was a useful "medicine". Lots of things help people deal with chronic pain....just like alcohol....but we wouldn't dare label it as a "medicine".

Your doctor has a lot of other doctors that disagree with her POV. She doesn't need someone like me to tell her. She can listen to her peers if she desires.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

But let's look at one of the studies. Pot abuse among teenagers can result in a retarded development. Makes sense. But guess what? Alcohol abuse can have the same effect among teens. So, if we're so concerned about health and development, why not ban alcohol too?

We're not talking about banning pot. Pot is already banned. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're not talking about banning drugs that are already legal, we're debating whether or not we should keep certain drugs illegal.

Bringing up alcohol doesn't help your point, it hurts it. We know the damage that alcohol and tobacco have done to our Country and our Health System but we want to add more drugs to the list because it's not "as bad" as the others.....the others who cost us BILLIONS?

We can't turn back the clock with respect to alcohol and cigs but we can prevent ourselves from making the same mistake for a 3rd time.

[QBall]

Considering how many studies and how much has been reported about the dangers of smoking tobacco over the decades, and yet people still do, I doubt this study will do much to change minds.

[N_Fiddledog]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Talk about kid-like arguments. Are you suggesting that marijuana has no purpose beyond recreational use? You better go tell my doctor then because she's obviously horribly misinformed. I'm sure if you go talk to her you can straighten her out though. She should see the light when you tell her that your personal opinion trumps her medical knowledge.

Doctors once said tobacco was a useful "medicine".

"In 1895, the German drug company Bayer marketed diacetylmorphine as an over-the-counter drug under the trademark name Heroin.[58] The name was derived from the Greek word "Heros" because of its perceived "heroic" effects upon a user.[58] It was developed chiefly as a morphine substitute for cough suppressants that did not have morphine's addictive side-effects"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

Just sayin...

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

The estimate I've read is that one joint equals one pack.

Source?

[OnTheIce]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

"In 1895, the German drug company Bayer marketed diacetylmorphine as an over-the-counter drug under the trademark name Heroin.[58] The name was derived from the Greek word "Heros" because of its perceived "heroic" effects upon a user.[58] It was developed chiefly as a morphine substitute for cough suppressants that did not have morphine's addictive side-effects"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

Just sayin...

What's your point? That diacetylmorphine is a medicine that's used on a daily basis around the World including Canada?

[stratos]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

stratos stratos:

I know the source is sucky as all get out but a month or so ago I seen on Face Book something about how smoking pot puts more tar and other junk in your lungs then smoking a cig. Is there any truth to this?

If you're talking about a one to one basis AND comparing it to a filtered cig, then yes.
However, when one considers that very few tokers, if any, smoke an ounce of weed a day every day, while smoking an ounce of tobacco is the norm for the majority of cig smokers, the overall risk of harm is less than from tobacco.

Okay thanks for the answer.