[bootlegga]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

martin14 martin14:

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Knowing their track record they'll crash without being in combat.

I see some red in your future.

15 Canadian CF-18s have crashed since 1984, killing seven people, and not one of those crashes was in combat.

They've got a poor track record.

If you want to talk track record, the Nimrod the RAF flies isn't much better - several crashes and more than 20 killed;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... _from_1945

The same link also provides evidence that the RAF should get rid of its helos - half a dozen crashes and almost 50 people killed.

[Batsy2]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Oh really?

Are you suggesting that the Rafale is somehow superior to the Tornado?

Put it this way - The brand new Eurofighter Typhoon does not even match the weapons capabilities of the much older Tornado, and will not do so until it is fitted with the British Brimstone missile which the Tornados use and which are much sought after by countries including the US and France. Yet even the Eurofighter Typhoon (which France rejected in favour of the Rafale) outperformed the Rafale during the 2011 bombing of Libya.

British pilots and their commanding officers conducting operations over Libya against the regime of its President Gadaffi in 2011 displayed statistics to prove that out of the 1,000 plus sorties flown by French Rafale, British Typhoon and British Tornado jets, it was the Typhoon which was superior to the Rafale in terms of turnaround time and bombing capabilities.

Yet, in turn, the Typhoon cannot yet match the bombing capabilities of the Tornado, which is fitted with the RAF's Brimstone missile, probably the deadliest missile used in the bombing of ISIS and which the Americans and French are desperate to have.

[Batsy2]

bootlegga bootlegga:

If you want to talk track record, the Nimrod the RAF flies isn't much better - several crashes and more than 20 killed;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... _from_1945

The same link also provides evidence that the RAF should get rid of its helos - half a dozen crashes and almost 50 people killed.

The Nimrod's record is much better than that of the CF-18 Hornet.

18 Hornets have crashed since 1984, yet only five RAF Nimrods crashed since 1980, and one of those was as a result of bird strike and one was actually in Afghanistan.

[Regina]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Regina Regina:

You're too fucking stupid to know anything about it, yet you yap like you do. Your ass must get jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth.

So are you saying that those 18 (yes 18, not 15, I made a mistake) non-combat crashes of CF-18s since 1984 DIDN'T happen and that they were either people's imaginations or it's all one big lie?

It's funny how you can all criticise the British Upholder-class submarine and call it all a load of junk even though there was nothing at all wrong with it when it served in the Royal Navy (all the supposed problems with it only occurred when the Canadians got their hands on it) and, in fact, it was widely regarded as being among the best diesel-electric submarines in the world, yet when I criticise the crappy Canadian CF-18s and their, quite frankly, dire safety record I get a load of unwarranted abuse from people.

The fact is that the Canadian CF-18s are a load of junk - and it's the ONLY fighter you've got!

I have 4 hours flying time on high performance fighter aircraft. You have two sperm encrusted hands and know sweet fuck all about anything outside the foggy bog you live in. Time to fuck off troll.

[Batsy2]

Brimstone: British missile that outguns US

Why the British Brimstone missile being used by Tornados in Iraq is so sought after - in 60 seconds

The British-made missile is the most sophisticated of its kind being used in the air strike campaign to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces battling the militants

02 Oct 2014
The Telegraph

VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... IFoLU2vntc


The British Defence Secretary confirmed that the British armed forces had launched its first air strikes against fighters from the Islamic State group in Iraq on Tuesday.

The Ministry of Defence in London said: "Two Tornado GR4s from RAF Akrotiri conducted an armed reconnaissance mission in support of Iraqi government forces west of Baghdad.

"They were tasked to examine a location suspected of being used as an Isil command and control position. At the scene they were able to identify Isil activity and two vehicles, one of which was an armed pick up truck.

"Four Brimstone missiles were used to conduct a precision attack on the vehicles. Initial analysis indicates that the strikes were successful."


The British Brimstone missile entered service with the RAF in 2005. The US, France and India have expressed interest in buying Brimstone for their aircraft, but Saudi Arabia is currently the only other country to use it

The British-made Brimstone is air-launched ground attack missile used for taking out armoured targets, such as tanks.

It uses a low-powered but highly focused explosive warhead to reduce shrapnel hitting civilians and has a programmable fuse that allows the pilot to decide at what point of impact the bomb explodes.

The Brimstone is capable of hitting moving targets travelling at speeds of up to 70mph and can be launched from an aircraft up to seven miles away from as high as 20,000 feet.

Britain and Saudi Arabia are currently the only two countries that use the Brimstone, which are conservatively estimated to cost £100,000 each.


Deadly: An RAF Tornado loaded with Brimstone

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... conds.html



Analysis: "Firepower of Brimstone missiles gives RAF an edge" says Elizabeth Quintana of defence think-tank The Royal United Services Institute

27 September 2014
Daily Mirror


Precise: The RAF's Brimstone missile allows Tornados to bomb targets other air forces are reluctant to strike.

Tornados bring a unique weapon to the battle against ISIS.

RAF crews still have a vital role to play despite joining the US-led coalition after the French and Arab states. The RAF’s Brimstone missile allows Tornados to bomb targets other air forces are reluctant to strike. It will provide a different capability.

Brimstone’s very precise. It’s a low-collateral weapon which means you can hit targets without creating too much of a blast radius, minimising civilian casualties. It was the “deciding factor” in the battle for Misrata in 2011 when the RAF blitzed Libyan dictator Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s forces.


RAF Tornados at RAF Marham. Tornados bring a unique weapon to the battle against ISIS

The only way to prosecute it was because they had this particular weapon. The Americans weren’t going to touch it; they thought there would be too many casualties.

There is a British appetite for action after seeing the grisly beheading videos filmed by ISIS as they murdered two American journalists and British aid worker David Haines. It’s about the British people and British politicians feeling that we need to do something.

We were in Iraq before and it is our job to clean up our mess, to some extent.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/is ... z3F4fY2klg

[Batsy2]

Regina Regina:

I have 4 hours flying time on high performance fighter aircraft. You have two sperm encrusted hands and know sweet fuck all about anything outside the foggy bog you live in. Time to fuck off troll.

You have flown for just four hours on a fighter aircraft and now you think you are some sort of expert on fighter planes?

I don't care if you had 40 years of flying experience. It doesn't take away the fact that the CF-18 Hornet is a crappy plane that has a poor safety record.

I've noticed how you can poke fun at the non-existent crappiness of the Upholder-class submarine, but when I point the poor safety record of a Canadian fighter jet you start trolling and using foul-mouthed abuse.

In other words, you can dish it out but can't take it. Typical chippy Canadian.

[Regina]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Brimstone: British missile that outguns US

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Any proof other than your own caption? You're a joke.

[Regina]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Regina Regina:

I have 4 hours flying time on high performance fighter aircraft. You have two sperm encrusted hands and know sweet fuck all about anything outside the foggy bog you live in. Time to fuck off troll.

You have flown for just four hours on a fighter aircraft and now you think you are some sort of expert on fighter planes?

I don't care if you had 40 years of flying experience. It doesn't take away the fact that the CF-18 Hornet is a crappy plane that has a poor safety record.

I've noticed how you can poke fun at the non-existent crappiness of the Upholder-class submarine, but when I point the poor safety record of a Canadian fighter jet you start trolling and using foul-mouthed abuse.

In other words, you can dish it out but can't take it. Typical chippy Canadian.

And you have how many hours??
Typical English jerk off living on past glory. I'll take chippy over has-been anytime.

[Batsy2]

Regina Regina:

Any proof other than your own caption? You're a joke.

Yep. You can dish it out (Upholder-class) but you can't take it.

[Batsy2]

Regina Regina:

Typical English jerk off living on past glory. I'll take chippy over has-been anytime.

At least we've got proper fighter jets. It'll probably not be long until we hear of a Hornet crashing in Iraq.

[Regina]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Regina Regina:

Any proof other than your own caption? You're a joke.

Yep. You can dish it out (Upholder-class) but you can't take it.

Where is it then?
Your subs didn't even make it across the Atlantic without catching fire. I can take well informed, educated and experience debate but so far I've not seen that from you. Just you telling us the foggy bog is king of the world.

[Regina]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Regina Regina:

Typical English jerk off living on past glory. I'll take chippy over has-been anytime.

At least we've got proper fighter jets. It'll probably not be long until we hear of a Hornet crashing in Iraq.

Since the world wide users of F-18s dwarf the fewer numbers and countries country outside the three who built them...... it would only stand to reason. In Gulf War I we lost no F-18s. You?

[saturn_656]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

There was nothing at all wrong with those submarines when you bought them (on a buyer beware basis). Most of the faults which occurred on them were the results of Royal Canadian Navy incompetence.

They were laid up without proper prep or maintenance. You guys wrecked them. Our failure was not giving them the proper once over before buying them! Buyer beware is right. You guys sold screwed up subs!

$1:

In fact, the Chicoutimi incident was discovered to have been the result of a Canadian "error in operational procedure" - in other words, it was the result of the Royal Canadian Navy's own incompetence. Yet Canadians still like to blame it on "a crappy British submarine".

Chicoutimi has substandard wiring compared to her three sister ships. Had it been to the same spec as the other three boats running with hatches open (regular practice on the Oberons) it wouldn't have been an issue.

$1:

And it wasn't just Canadian incompetence that the Chicoutimi incident exposed. It was also Irish search and rescue incompetence that it exposed. The Irish RNLI lifeboat "Sam and Ada Moody", stationed on Achill Island, County Mayo was put on standby to assist, but was later stood down. An Irish Navy ship, LÉ Róisín, responded to the submarine's mayday signal and set out to assist it, but was seriously damaged by the rough seas and forced to return to harbour. The only other Irish Navy ships available to help, LÉ Aoife and LÉ Niamh were patrolling off Ireland's southern coast. At 2 p.m. local time, the Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose and the auxiliary vessel RFA Wave Knight reached the crippled Chicoutimi, with an additional three British ships en route. LÉ Aoife later reached the area and took over coordination of the rescue and salvage efforts. Other British ships dispatched to assist the submarine were HMS Marlborough and RFA Argus, as well as a number of specialist vessels to handle the situation.

Oh who gives two shits about the Irish quit clouding the fucking argument!

$1:

I think the then Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon was right when he later stated that the Royal Navy would charge Canada for the cost of the rescue. We sent out all those Royal Navy submarines to help rescue a Canadian Navy submarine that had floundered to to Canadian incompetence.

The Upholder-class submarines actually highlight modern Canadian naval incompetence and whether or not Canada is capable of having a submarine fleet, more than anything else.

If you guys had laid them up right they would have been in serviceable shape.

Thank you for screwing us.

[Regina]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Oh who gives two shits about the Irish quit clouding the fucking argument!

If he can't cut and paste from Wiki or the Telegraph, chances are he'll never know about it. He also prefers volume and pictures over informed and educated as well.

[saturn_656]

Batsy2 Batsy2:

Put it this way - The brand new Eurofighter Typhoon does not even match the weapons capabilities of the much older Tornado, and will not do so until it is fitted with the British Brimstone missile which the Tornados use and which are much sought after by countries including the US and France. Yet even the Eurofighter Typhoon (which France rejected in favour of the Rafale) outperformed the Rafale during the 2011 bombing of Libya.

British pilots and their commanding officers conducting operations over Libya against the regime of its President Gadaffi in 2011 displayed statistics to prove that out of the 1,000 plus sorties flown by French Rafale, British Typhoon and British Tornado jets, it was the Typhoon which was superior to the Rafale in terms of turnaround time and bombing capabilities.

Irregardless the F-22 is a superior jet to the Tornado, didn't know they were bombing ISIS did you? Got you there didn't I?

If the Tornado was so superior you guys would still be manufacturing and selling it. It's out of production and will be retired once you have the F-35 (a bum plane if you believe the anti-Lightning II hype). Do you?

I don't know why you're so hung up on Brimstone.