[Brenda]

commanderkai commanderkai:

herbie herbie:

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That they even bring up that 'staff would be distracted' is simply gross. If your staff is being distracted by that, or ANY student, you might want to check your staff, not your students.

Right on the money.
What dress code? Fuck you they made it up on the spot to cover their own lecherous asses. I defy anyone to produce the relevant dress code and the authority that supposedly made it up.

http://tjh.ccrsb.ca/sites/default/files ... ndbook.pdf

A bit vague though. The high schools I went to specifically they had to be as long as the tip of your fingers. They weren't that specific from what I found here, but, I assume that's the standard policy.

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10. APPROPRIATE DRESS
Clothing should be appropriate for an educational setting. A dress code that will not cause distraction to fellow students and staff will be consistently enforced – eg. not wearing jackets in class, revealing clothing, studded jewelry, chains. Head gear (caps, visors, bandannas, hoods etc) are not to be worn. Offensive graffiti on any wearing apparel will not be tolerated. This would include drug and/or alcohol logos. Any clothing accessories that that place safety at risk is unacceptable. This includes dress at all school related/extra curricular activities.

NOTHING about showing bra-straps, shorts, heels or anything else. So standard policy? I have never heard of it. The school my kids attended (elementary) specifically mentioned bra-straps. Not the length of shorts. Kids were actually sent home or told to but their gym shirt on.
In high school, that they attend now, I have not heard or read anything, including showing bra straps. Let alone these kind of short. ALL the girls here wear shorter shorts. No one thinks of it as a distraction, mostly, because in class, they sit on it.

[herbie]

Vague?

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A dress code that will not
cause distraction to fellow students and staff
will be consistently enforced

I say again: they made it up to cover their asses. The staff's asses, not the student's actual asses. That wouldn't require a written code at all.

[rickc]

Brenda Brenda:

Hyack Hyack:

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Debbie Buott-Matheson, a spokeswoman for the Chignecto-Central Regional School Board, said the issue was not about one gender being distracted by another.

"They do use as a general guideline — you hang your hands down at your sides when you're standing up and if the shorts come down to the end of your fingertips, that's a pretty reasonable length," she said.

"That can be different depending on the student. Some students are taller, some students are shorter, arms are longer, arms are shorter. It is a judgment call for administrators."

It seems there is a policy in effect, which according to the photo, she is not in compliance with, therefore, like it or not, according to the school her shorts are too short.

Maybe if she stood up straight, with her shoulders back, which she is not, she would be in compliance.

My shorts could be at least 4 cms shorter than hers and they would have no problem according to their guidelines, because of the length of my arms and the fact that I stand up straight...

Well perhaps you could provide us some pictures of you in those shorts, just so we can all be in agreement on the matter!

[commanderkai]

herbie herbie:

Vague?

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A dress code that will not
cause distraction to fellow students and staff
will be consistently enforced

I say again: they made it up to cover their asses. The staff's asses, not the student's actual asses. That wouldn't require a written code at all.

Actually, to quote you:

herbie herbie:

I defy anyone to produce the relevant dress code and the authority that supposedly made it up.

The dress code is vague (remind me of the US Supreme Court definition of pornography) but there is a dress code written down. Now, if there were verbal instructions about no bra-straps, muscle shirts, undershirts, short skirts/shorts, etc, I have no idea, but they do have a dress code written down.

[commanderkai]

Brenda Brenda:

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10. APPROPRIATE DRESS
Clothing should be appropriate for an educational setting. A dress code that will not cause distraction to fellow students and staff will be consistently enforced – eg. not wearing jackets in class, revealing clothing, studded jewelry, chains. Head gear (caps, visors, bandannas, hoods etc) are not to be worn. Offensive graffiti on any wearing apparel will not be tolerated. This would include drug and/or alcohol logos. Any clothing accessories that that place safety at risk is unacceptable. This includes dress at all school related/extra curricular activities.

NOTHING about showing bra-straps, shorts, heels or anything else. So standard policy? I have never heard of it. The school my kids attended (elementary) specifically mentioned bra-straps. Not the length of shorts. Kids were actually sent home or told to but their gym shirt on.
In high school, that they attend now, I have not heard or read anything, including showing bra straps. Let alone these kind of short. ALL the girls here wear shorter shorts. No one thinks of it as a distraction, mostly, because in class, they sit on it.

Wouldn't the bra-straps, short shorts/skirts, and heels be covered under revealing clothing?

[Brenda]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

10. APPROPRIATE DRESS
Clothing should be appropriate for an educational setting. A dress code that will not cause distraction to fellow students and staff will be consistently enforced – eg. not wearing jackets in class, revealing clothing, studded jewelry, chains. Head gear (caps, visors, bandannas, hoods etc) are not to be worn. Offensive graffiti on any wearing apparel will not be tolerated. This would include drug and/or alcohol logos. Any clothing accessories that that place safety at risk is unacceptable. This includes dress at all school related/extra curricular activities.

NOTHING about showing bra-straps, shorts, heels or anything else. So standard policy? I have never heard of it. The school my kids attended (elementary) specifically mentioned bra-straps. Not the length of shorts. Kids were actually sent home or told to but their gym shirt on.
In high school, that they attend now, I have not heard or read anything, including showing bra straps. Let alone these kind of short. ALL the girls here wear shorter shorts. No one thinks of it as a distraction, mostly, because in class, they sit on it.

Wouldn't the bra-straps, short shorts/skirts, and heels be covered under revealing clothing?

I guess that is open to interpretation, isn't it?
If they can specifically mention caps, hats, hoods and drug or alcohol related logos, you might think they could specify 'revealing'.

The shorts the girl is wearing are NOT revealing. The shorts in the picture Shep posted, are.
Imo.

[commanderkai]

Brenda Brenda:

I guess that is open to interpretation, isn't it?
If they can specifically mention caps, hats, hoods and drug or alcohol related logos, you might think they could specify 'revealing'.

The shorts the girl is wearing are NOT revealing. The shorts in the picture Shep posted, are.
Imo.

Showing bra straps as revealing clothing? Eh, not really, but I did agree that the school's dress code is vague, and certainly is open for interpretation. If she was warned about this before, and yet kept going to the point of being suspended, it's completely on her.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description (in this case, revealing clothing), and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."

The school has a more strict definition than you in what is considered revealing clothing. That doesn't make the school wrong.

[stratos]

At my High School these shorts my have been on the boarder line. Dresses and shorts were to be no shorter then mid-thigh length. Yet if the Admin did say something about a girl wearing these shorts she could have pointed out at least 20 shorter Mini-skirts walking down the hall at any time.

All things considered I don't think anyone would have said a thing about a girl wearing shorts like that.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

So you have no problem with the statement that 'staff might be distracted'?
What about skinny jeans then? Yoga pants? Tank-tops? Make-up? Piercings? Tattoos?

This is too short??

Those shorts look just fine. I'm conservative as the day is long and I have no problem with these shorts. Anyone who does is a putz.

[stratos]

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So you have no problem with the statement that 'staff might be distracted'?
What about skinny jeans then? Yoga pants? Tank-tops? Make-up? Piercings? Tattoos?

Don't forget gym short's those were always shorter then normal shorts back in HS.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

So you have no problem with the statement that 'staff might be distracted'?
What about skinny jeans then? Yoga pants? Tank-tops? Make-up? Piercings? Tattoos?

This is too short??

Those shorts look just fine. I'm conservative as the day is long and I have no problem with these shorts. Anyone who does is a putz.

I have to agree. They want to paint a scarlet letter on her back for THAT? We must be posting with members of the Taliban.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

We must be posting with members of the Taliban.

There are certain folks here who have issues with consistency in their defense of government bureacracies that are typically dominated by leftists.

Education is one of their sacred areas that are off limits to criticism so if a state educator does it then it must be okay no matter how idiotic it is.

In this respect they are not unlike the Muslim fanatics they so frequently defend.

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

This is too short??

I don't know about too short - as the father of two daughters, I'd be tempted to say yes. Of course, I've began looking at burkas for them to wear when they become teenagers!

Given what most kids wear these days, I'd say they are okay. Certainly kids in my junior and senior high school wore shorter and tighter clothing than that back in the day.

However, the one thing Davison appears wrong on is the ripped part;

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"Her shorts are modest, they're normal length, they're not ripped, they're not torn, they're not too low on the waist. Nothing's showing that shouldn't be showing," Davison said of the shorts, which she helped pick out.

If they aren't ripped, why is there a long thread hanging down her right leg? Maybe it's just me, but I'm wondering if she took a pair of scissors to them and made them a bit shorter than they were when purchased, especially given that the left leg looks a tad longer than the right (might be a perspective thing though).

[Public_Domain]

[Brenda]

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The school has a more strict definition than you in what is considered revealing clothing. That doesn't make the school wrong.

But, other than offensive logos and hats, they do not really HAVE a dress code specified. Which leaves it open to interpretation and thus bias. And that is never a good thing. Like PD says, his sister gets away with her ass hanging out, while another girl has to go home and change for wearing shorts like in the picture.