[saturn_656]

Thanos Thanos:

then again it's also just as likely as "the two young lovers with nothing better to do" simply had bad luck in who they chose as their next victim.

They were cousins... aw hell who knows maybe they were.

[Freakinoldguy]

BRAH BRAH:

First lesson, stay the Fuck out of people's homes and you won't get shot.

But the only problem I see with this is that those scumbags will get out of prison at some point, likely in the near future and come back like Byron said "filled with revenge". Now that family is going to have to live the rest of their lives in fear or move just because they didn't allow some criminals to have their way.

We live in a really sick world but still, setting up a kill zone in your home for the specific purpose of offing an intruder that you hope breaks in isn't going to help you get aquitted and that, unlike this lady's shooting was Bryon Smith's undoing.

[ShepherdsDog]

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[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

As opposed to Bonnie & Clyde/Charlie & Caril-Anne/Sid & Nancy/ Billy-Joe & Bobbi-Sue, it appears (considering that he was permitted to work security at diplomatic houses) that Smith didn't have a criminal record prior to the shootings. Maybe it's a case of a guy waiting to explode but then again it's also just as likely as "the two young lovers with nothing better to do" simply had bad luck in who they chose as their next victim.

You guys can call me an asshole all you want. I don't see it written down anywhere that Smith was obligated to sit back and take it, like him filing a burglary report with the police and his insurance company after the fact makes everything A-OK. A couple of tweakers/pill-heads on a spree of their own were the ones who set this entire sequence of events into motion. Once again, they choose NOT to behave that way and they don't end up on a metal tray in the county morgue. Leave him alone and don't break into his house and, with no prior criminal record evident, there's more than enough reason to believe that Smith keeps to himself until his time on earth is over. Seriously, there's better people out there to feel sorry for than a couple of high school rebels who finally pushed their luck too far.

Well, Zimmerman had a similar defence.

[commanderkai]

Well, I'm divided. Yes, he deserves to go to jail. Not for shooting the people coming into his home, though. He was perfectly in the right to protect his property from being broken into. The fact he was expecting the break in means nothing, unless he actually hired these two morons to break into his home. I don't think a police officer was going to stand in his basement waiting. He had no idea if they were armed or not, and it's not like they just decided to cut across his front lawn or something.

What he does deserve to go to jail for is that he basically executed them both after neutralizing them. I have no idea if the first one was dead or not. The fact he had no remorse after shooting the girl (The sarcastic "Oh I'm sorry" part) doesn't bother me. What does, again, is that he basically kept shooting her (I think).

If this was a standard home defense case (aka, he just shot both of them, one after the other, and just called 911 describing them as little shits and vermin and such breaking into his home, I frankly would not give a flying fuck). I honestly think he fucking snapped after being broken into too many times. It doesn't justify what he did. I'm guessing he wanted the recording to have the noise of the glass breaking, the shots, and them just neutralized "as evidence", but, he lost his cool and just lashed out.

[martin14]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Surprised they got two first degree murder charges to stick, given the circumstances.

So am I.

Spooky ? Yes

Cold blooded ? Yep.

Did he enjoy it way too much ? You bet.


However, we read way too many stories of people being killed in their beds as a result of
punks walking in without fear of the consequences.


AFAIC, when you decide to break into someone's house, whatever happens after is
nothing to worry about.

Those 3 in Detroit will be out in a few months, and they will be very angry.
People might be happy no one got hurt, this time, but now she gets to live with the
fact these 3 and friends will be out to get her. Anyone who thinks they will just 'leave her alone' is an idiot.
Mama better load up with more guns.


The verdict should be appealed, especially given the previous burglary and others
were excluded.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

xerxes xerxes:

So B&E is worthy of death now?

Nope, but it's surprisingly easy to avoid. Actually, it takes absolutely no effort at all to not break into people's homes, thus avoiding becoming a victim statistic.

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Surprised they got two first degree murder charges to stick, given the circumstances.

So am I.

Spooky ? Yes

Cold blooded ? Yep.

Did he enjoy it way too much ? You bet.


However, we read way too many stories of people being killed in their beds as a result of
punks walking in without fear of the consequences.

I'd like to see some of those stories.

Secondly, this was not one of those stories. He set it up to execute these two for a B&E. Not neutralize, as has been pointed out. Not detain... As had been pointed out. Execute.

When they're on the ground with a bullet or two already in them, and he finishes them off? Yeah, sick fuckheads touch themselves as they glad hand that kind of cold blooded execution.

[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

As opposed to Bonnie & Clyde/Charlie & Caril-Anne/Sid & Nancy/ Billy-Joe & Bobbi-Sue, it appears (considering that he was permitted to work security at diplomatic houses) that Smith didn't have a criminal record prior to the shootings. Maybe it's a case of a guy waiting to explode but then again it's also just as likely as "the two young lovers with nothing better to do" simply had bad luck in who they chose as their next victim.

You guys can call me an asshole all you want. I don't see it written down anywhere that Smith was obligated to sit back and take it, like him filing a burglary report with the police and his insurance company after the fact makes everything A-OK. A couple of tweakers/pill-heads on a spree of their own were the ones who set this entire sequence of events into motion. Once again, they choose NOT to behave that way and they don't end up on a metal tray in the county morgue. Leave him alone and don't break into his house and, with no prior criminal record evident, there's more than enough reason to believe that Smith keeps to himself until his time on earth is over. Seriously, there's better people out there to feel sorry for than a couple of high school rebels who finally pushed their luck too far.

Couple of dumb kids doing a B&E. Dumb...unarmed...dumb...but unarmed.

Not armed.

They type of thing you spend some time in juvie for as a wake up call.

This guy set it up to execute them and you are happy as a pig in shit over that, so the next time you shed crocodile tears over the next school shoot or some other kid getting offed by some pyscho, we'll know it's either drunk Thanos, bi-polar Thanos on the downward slide, or secretly NRA touch yourself silly Thanos giddy over the thought of a couple of stupid teens executed...executed mind, in cold blood.

Won't waste time trying to decide which Thanos is it, he'll just be hypocrite Thanos.

[xerxes]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

xerxes xerxes:

So B&E is worthy of death now?

Nope, but it's surprisingly easy to avoid. Actually, it takes absolutely no effort at all to not break into people's homes, thus avoiding becoming a victim statistic.

You know what else is easy to avoid? Executing two young hoods for burglary. He could have told them to freeze and call the cops. But no. He maimed one and put a gun to their head and pulled the trigger.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

xerxes xerxes:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

xerxes xerxes:

So B&E is worthy of death now?

Nope, but it's surprisingly easy to avoid. Actually, it takes absolutely no effort at all to not break into people's homes, thus avoiding becoming a victim statistic.

You know what else is easy to avoid? Executing two young hoods for burglary. He could have told them to freeze and call the cops. But no. He maimed one and put a gun to their head and pulled the trigger.

Can't execute someone that enters your house illegally if they don't enter your house illegally. I'd have to say the onus is on the ones who broke in.
Now, I certainly agree that he set those punks up which definitely kills his claim of self-defense, but by the same token they also proved themselves to be opportunistic little fucks.
Byron may deserve his sentence, but I have zero sympathy for the so-called "victims".

[xerxes]

Then I guess I'm the only one here then. They are robbers. Not murderers, not rapists, not child abusers nothing egregiously heinous. Is a wallet worth taking a life for? A tv?

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

Then I guess I'm the only one here then. They are robbers. Not murderers, not rapists,

And how is the victim supposed to know this ?


Should burglars make an appointment beforehand, promising not to bring knives, guns

or erect penises to the event ?

Give your head a shake, man.

[desertdude]

Armed or un-armed ol'wannabe Charles Bronson's intent was never to deter or detain them. He set a trap will the full intention of killing them, which is obvious from the tapes and how he executes them.

Like I said before for someone who worked on embassy security, wouldn't be too hard to secure his own residence for someone like him.

So when next time some one keys your car or breaks into it, you will wait in the bushes with a gun and shoot the first person who breaks in the glass of slim jims it ??

Our house has been burgled in the past and I would kick the bastards in the nuts a few times at the most but never in a million years would even think of killing them.

Just goes to show how fucking nuts some people on this forum are.

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

Armed or un-armed ol'wannabe Charles Bronson's intent was never to deter or detain them. He set a trap will the full intention of killing them, which is obvious from the tapes and how he executes them.

Like I said before for someone who worked on embassy security, wouldn't be too hard to secure his own residence for someone like him.

So when next time some one keys your car or breaks into it, you will wait in the bushes with a gun and shoot the first person who breaks in the glass of slim jims it ??

Our house has been burgled in the past and I would kick the bastards in the nuts a few times at the most but never in a million years would even think of killing them.

Just goes to show how fucking nuts some people on this forum are.

Exactly. It's one thing to protect yourself, it's another to plan murder. In Canada our laws are too favoring the intruder, ie even when s/he presents a clear threat you can still be charged with manslaughter or murder if you kill the intruder. OTOH allowing a free fire zone in the house would be going too far. The michigan law has it about right, this guy didn't follow that law.