[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

boy, those Christians and the evil their religion makes them do, huh?

This Christian would like to get all Old Testament on this vermin. That or hand him over to the Taliban for chuckles.

The Taliban would probably turn it into some kind of gruppenfuhrer or gauleiter as a reward for it's daughter-raping policy. Update it for a newer age by adopting the V For Vendetta approach instead. Just take garbage of this sort out behind the chemical sheds and shoot it in the back of the head. Some of these things don't deserve any more than the very quick type of processing that our Russian friends still like to do in the sub-basements underneath Dzerzhinski Square.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

boy, those Christians and the evil their religion makes them do, huh?

This Christian would like to get all Old Testament on this vermin. That or hand him over to the Taliban for chuckles.

It's probably too much to hope he gets a taste of that inside as he's probably going to some country club minimum security place, but with a little luck karma will come into play.

[bootlegga]

herbie herbie:

You guys are funny arguing about if he's a Christian and what he "only" got for spanking his stepson.
The sick fuck diddled and abused his stepdaughters in one of the most disgusting trials in this whole area. If he even outlives his sentence for that he's gonna be a prisoner in a nursing home.
The guy was supposedly one of those religious disciplinarian types. Who gives a shit if he's Christian or a JoHo or a Rastafarian? The brand of hypocrite is irrelevant.

Exactly! +5

[desertdude]

commanderkai commanderkai:

This is a perfect example of what you do Andy. Instead of bringing attention to the horribly evil acts this man did, and the pitiful sentence he received, you made this somehow about his possible religion, alienating and irritating just about everybody who might have Christian leanings, or even a basic acceptance or respect of Christianity in their heritage or life.

Ironic isn't it that this doesn't seem to click in yours or many other minds here when there is a barrage of almost non stop vitriol from fiddly and his ilk. So I guess its OK to stomps on everyone elses beliefs just as long as they are not yours. Hypocrisy much ?

Shame on you Andy for for trying to show people their faces in their own mirrors.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

commanderkai commanderkai:

This is a perfect example of what you do Andy. Instead of bringing attention to the horribly evil acts this man did, and the pitiful sentence he received, you made this somehow about his possible religion, alienating and irritating just about everybody who might have Christian leanings, or even a basic acceptance or respect of Christianity in their heritage or life.

Ironic isn't it that this doesn't seem to click in yours or many other minds here when there is a barrage of almost non stop vitriol from fiddly and his ilk. So I guess its OK to stomps on everyone elses beliefs just as long as they are not yours. Hypocrisy much ?

Shame on you Andy for for trying to show people their faces in their own mirrors.

The shoemaker is barefoot and the tailor is nude.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Well, maybe that's the difference. Very little pushback from Muslims when people do evil things in the name of their religion. They should definitely work on that and stop making excuses.

And how do you know he wasn't cut from the same stock as this atheist rocket scientist?

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BTW my dad was a devout atheist and he could quote the bible verbatim. So using biblical quotes doesn't a Christian make, same as all Muslims don't marry 8 year old girls. It's just the radical religious zealots of all types that are the problem and from all appearances Islam has the misfortune of having even more than we do.

But religion or lack of it is no excuse for what this scumbag did and he deserves to suffer a lifetime of indignities and pain.

[Delwin]

I think it is fair to say this guy was not atheist and this was a misguided case of "spare the rod spoil the child"

From court transcript:

XXXX is 55 years old. He will be 56 tomorrow. He was born in the Lower Mainland and has spent most of his life in the Cariboo. His family was quite religious. His first wife was very religious, and XXXX, his second wife, was very religious. It would be fair to say that for most of his life, XXXX has been a very religious individual as well.

And yes it is Christianity, deal with it.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

Well, maybe that's the difference. Very little pushback from Muslims when people do evil things in the name of their religion. They should definitely work on that and stop making excuses.

And how do you know he wasn't cut from the same stock as this atheist rocket scientist?

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BTW my dad was a devout atheist and he could quote the bible verbatim. So using biblical quotes doesn't a Christian make, same as all Muslims don't marry 8 year old girls. It's just the radical religious zealots of all types that are the problem and from all appearances Islam has the misfortune of having even more than we do.

But religion or lack of it is no excuse for what this scumbag did and he deserves to suffer a lifetime of indignities and pain.

who? We've established the guy was religious and following what he thought scripture told him to do.

Exactly my point - not all Muslims do horrible things, but when post after post is made here slagging them, everybody keeps mum, at the very least lending tacit support to it. You know, like Muslims are always accused of doing when they don't speak up. But let me reverse the tables just once, and let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

[herbie]

not speaking directly to andyt but to everyone with this thought:

$1:

I don't know what these judges are thinking.

Exactly. You're neither a Judge nor aware of all the facts, so how would you?
But you're pointing out of he got 16 years he could be out in 'only' 10.6 years. Are you going to deny 10.6 years is an awful LONG TIME to sit in jail?
See where I'm going? Arguing 50 years about someone who thinks 90 strokes of the cane on a bare bum for coming home late is kind of the same mindset. Justice and the severity of punishment are not the same thing, and you can't even conceive of the concept of justice within that mindset.

[andyt]

You've misunderstood. Makes no sense to only give him 10 year gun prohibition when he'll be in jail for all or most of the time. Not sure how guns got into this, but if you give the prohibition, make it for life time, or at least a significant time after he gets out.

And I have trouble with concurrent sentences. Makes no sense. If he deserves jail time for the second sentence, add it to the first so he stays in longer.

16 years is a pretty long sentence. But what he did to those girls is horrible. Not sure if he can be rehabilitated. Certainly he should be kept away from any kids when he gets out. No shacking up with a woman with kids, no making his own.

As happens so often on this forum, you seem to have no idea of what i've posted previously about justice. I'm not a throw away the key guy. I'm also not a let em out with a very short sentence guy. Keep em in long enough that rehabilitation has a chance to work, but make sure you actually offer rehabilitation. This guy tho, like pretty well all sex offenders, I'm not sure can be rehabilitated. So be sure to keep him away from kids when he gets out.

But just to be clear, you do understand he got 16 years for raping his daughters and making them have sex with the dog, right? He only got 1 year concurrent for beating his son every day.

[Delwin]

The guy is 55 years old. 10 years, 20 years, there is no cure for the type of fucked up this guy is, as there are no cures for the types of scars he has left on this poor family that he called his own.

Justice aside, this guy needs to be locked away for the safety of others, what do think is going to happen ? He is going to find Jesus in prison ?

[commanderkai]

desertdude desertdude:

Ironic isn't it that this doesn't seem to click in yours or many other minds here when there is a barrage of almost non stop vitriol from fiddly and his ilk. So I guess its OK to stomps on everyone elses beliefs just as long as they are not yours. Hypocrisy much ?

Shame on you Andy for for trying to show people their faces in their own mirrors.

Yeah, that's exactly what andy did. Sure. Yeah, there's no actual proof that this guy is actually a Christian, let alone any Christian denomination or even the Bible played any role in his evil acts, and yet this whole story, truly a sickening one, is somehow buried in some faux comparison in some attempt to make some false equivalence between Islam and Christianity.

There is no hypocrisy here. Christianity has its faults, but this guy isn't exactly a byproduct of Christianity, or no mainstream Christian denomination I've heard of. The priest scandals? Discussions about abortion and contraceptives? Gay marriage and acceptance of LGBT peoples in mainstream Christianity? All those things are certainly legitimate concerns within the Christian community.

This is not it, and andy did nothing to impact any legitimate discussion about the difficulties and problems Islam has with both the West and in the parts of the world where Islam is the dominant religion. Bringing up the medical practices of the Western world 200-300 years ago when the issue of female circumcision on the rise in the west due to the cultural traditions imported by immigrants of Muslim dominant North Africa is a perfectly legitimate issue. Andy just brings up distractions that add absolutely nothing to the issue at hand. At worst, it's even insulting Islam and Muslims as marking them as being culturally behind two or three centuries because the civilized world outgrew such ugly practices. Would you prefer that interpretation of andy's points?

So...either it's a distraction from legitimate issues in the Muslim world, or it's just some proof that the West, where Christianity dominates as the largest religion, is more advanced and civilized compared to you Muslims. Take your pick.

[Delwin]

Will you stop trying to skirt the fact that this guy is a Christian and his belief system had everything to do with his actions ? It is really pathetic. He was born in the lower mainland 56 years ago. Are you really arguing from the position that this guy who's own lawyer describes as a very religious man was anything other than a Christian ? Born in lower mainland in 1958?

It is a pathetically weak position.


From original sexual assault sentence hearing:

XXXX he utilized his position of trust of parental authority and “man of God” status to violate his victims and entire family in every possible way: sexually, psychologically, physically, emotionally and spiritually. Of concern is xxxx lack of insight into the damage he has inflicted on his victims and family. He demonstrates little remorse and blames his victims for the abuse. His thought patterns are extremely distorted and focused on his own experiences rather than others’. xxxx … believes the offences have been exaggerated and misconstrued. As long as xxxx continues to minimize and not take full responsibility for his actions, he will not be able to learn how to manage his sexual behaviour.

[Delwin]

Also from original ruling:

I have been a judge for almost 40 years. This offender is one of the most evil men that I have encountered during my long tenure on the Bench. The man is evil incarnate. He is a monster. It is said that the devil can cite scripture for his own use. That is certainly the case here. With a warped vivid imagination and using passages from the Bible to justify his actions, xxxx in a most vile manner, sexually abused two of his stepchildren on a daily basis for over a decade. A review of my reasons for judgment indexed at xxxx will show how this offender systematically isolated the two complainants from the rest of the family as well as used God and the scripture as a justification for his evil deeds. I also found him to be a shameless liar throughout these proceedings.

[Delwin]

Not the Torah, not the Koran, the Bible, as you knew already.


Scriptures:
The sacred writings of the Bible. Often used in the plural. Also called Holy Scriptures.