[Regina]

andyt andyt:

Regina Regina:

andyt andyt:

What programs were given to this family? Do you have information on that? Please share. I know about the programs that are given to families such as this, if they were. They're short term and totally ineffective. Foster care is underfunded which attracts a lot of poor caregivers. Those caregivers are nowhere near supervised enough, so kids in care often get revictimized, sometimes worse than what they got at home. Social workers are way overworked, and many of them are not even qualified as social workers. It's all about spending as little as possible and still be able to claim the govt is doing something. So they save a little now and spend a lot more on the people coming out of that system down the road.

In other words...........you have no fucking clue.

Do you? You just discount what I wrote above? In your province, children's aid is a great system? It's not in BC.

I asked a question which you couldn't answer. You then declared that social workers are all overworked and that some are actually not social workers. Which is BS because in order to call yourself a "Social Worker" you must complete the proper education and belong to their governing college. Which then means you must adhere to their Professional Practices which include a Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice.
It's like being an Engineer. You can't be one unless you complete the education...........or drive a train.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Regina Regina:

So what programs were NOT available to her when she was a youth?

What programs were given to this family? Do you have information on that? Please share. I know about the programs that are given to families such as this, if they were. They're short term and totally ineffective. Foster care is underfunded which attracts a lot of poor caregivers. Those caregivers are nowhere near supervised enough, so kids in care often get revictimized, sometimes worse than what they got at home. Social workers are way overworked, and many of them are not even qualified as social workers. It's all about spending as little as possible and still be able to claim the govt is doing something. So they save a little now and spend a lot more on the people coming out of that system down the road.

We need programs.. money

Oh the programs right now don't work.. more money.

Foster care needs more money.. more money.

Everyone is overworked, that's why they produce nothing.. more money.

People still don't take responsibility for themselves.. so more money.


Just gotta love how you love to spend other people's money, cuz I'm guessing you
aren't going pay for all of it.

[Brenda]

The social worker I spoke with a few years ago made $13/hr. And yes, she has the right college education or cannot do the work she is doing.
Why would ANYONE become a social worker if that is what you make?
We have a lot of fucked up people here in this secluded area, a lot of drug and alcohol abuse and all the effects from it.
These people need help. It isn't there.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

Don't tell the idiot crowd that. They're more interested in extracting revenge after somebody is killed than doing anything to help prevent it in the first place.

Anybody who doesn't agree with andyworld cure-alls and money spending is an idiot.

Go make me a double-double.

[Thanos]

The puzzling thing is why anyone would get worked up at all about a hooker killing a john. Those kind of guys are pigs, and far too many of them are no better/different than rapists. Fuck 'em. They deserve it if things go sideways on them every once in a while.

[Xort]

andyt andyt:

So doing something long before she ever stabbed anybody no point to that? What sort of sentence should she have gotten for her first stabbing that would prevent her from doing it again? Life? Death penalty?

Let's see what the law offers?

239. Of the CCOC says 4 years to life.
I think 4 years for stabbing one, and then life for stabbing two.

And as for helping her before, that would be nice, but in the end everyone is personally responsible for their actions, unless they are mentally unfit to make such a judgement in which case they should be in custody.

Thanos Thanos:

The puzzling thing is why anyone would get worked up at all about a hooker killing a john. Those kind of guys are pigs, and far too many of them are no better/different than rapists. Fuck 'em. They deserve it if things go sideways on them every once in a while.

I guess I could say the same thing about any group of people I don't like, that get hurt because of their actions.

[saturn_656]

Thanos Thanos:

The puzzling thing is why anyone would get worked up at all about a hooker killing a john. Those kind of guys are pigs, and far too many of them are no better/different than rapists. Fuck 'em. They deserve it if things go sideways on them every once in a while.

Who says he was a "john"?

He supposedly invited her over for a drink and less than 30 minutes later was bleeding to death.

He wouldn't be the first guy to mistake a prostitute for a flirty woman. Neighbours heard him trying to kick her out not long after he arrived home.

[andyt]

Xort Xort:

andyt andyt:

So doing something long before she ever stabbed anybody no point to that? What sort of sentence should she have gotten for her first stabbing that would prevent her from doing it again? Life? Death penalty?

Let's see what the law offers?

239. Of the CCOC says 4 years to life.
I think 4 years for stabbing one, and then life for stabbing two.

And as for helping her before, that would be nice, but in the end everyone is personally responsible for their actions, unless they are mentally unfit to make such a judgement in which case they should be in custody.

Thanos Thanos:

The puzzling thing is why anyone would get worked up at all about a hooker killing a john. Those kind of guys are pigs, and far too many of them are no better/different than rapists. Fuck 'em. They deserve it if things go sideways on them every once in a while.

I guess I could say the same thing about any group of people I don't like, that get hurt because of their actions.

Thanos is an idiot, it's plain to see here.

life for stabbing a person, I seriously doubt it. But on the 4 time she killed somebody. I think she should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder. You stab somebody and they die from the stabwounds, you should have reasonably foreseen that he could die, so 2nd degree. So she would get life with min 10 year parole eligibility. That would give her a long time to work out her issues, if she took advantage of prison programs.

But it's still a shame we didn't do more to help her when she was a kid, might have avoided this needless death.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Maybe you would clue in that I read the article by the fact that I posted a section of it. (Maybe not, not sure how bright you are). I'm not talking about judges being lenient. That does no good at all unless the leniency is backed by having the person in a program with the threat of jail if s/he doesn't follow thru. Hell, better to give her a longer sentence so she gets federal time that includes programs on addiction.

The intervention has to come much earlier, while she is a child, before she ever saw the inside of a courtroom. Alcoholic mother, mentally ill father - that family needed supports in place or she needed to be in a properly funded, caring foster home. That's still a lot cheaper than the 100k or more it costs to keep somebody in jail for a year. Never mind the cost of the dead victim.

Andy, irrespective of her poor upbringing, she made conscious choices to make things so much worse. Drugs and alcohol were decisions that she made. Giving her a by on that is a dis service to those who did't opt for shitty decisions when their life went south.

[andyt]

Thanks for chiming in. Read what I wrote above your post, read my previous posts and show me where I wanted to give her a by. what the fuck is wrong with you people, that someone can't opine that we need to do more for children before they become murderers instead of just calling for blood when they do. The judges who just let her off did her no favors. If you actually bother to read my previous posts, you'll see that I called for her to get federal time for the previous stabbings so she could get help in prison, or better yet, mandatory long term locked up rehab with prison if she doesn't work the program.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Thanks for chiming in. Read what I wrote above your post, read my previous posts and show me where I wanted to give her a by. what the fuck is wrong with you people, that someone can't opine that we need to do more for children before they become murderers instead of just calling for blood when they do. The judges who just let her off did her no favors. If you actually bother to read my previous posts, you'll see that I called for her to get federal time for the previous stabbings so she could get help in prison, or better yet, mandatory long term locked up rehab with prison if she doesn't work the program.

I did read your posts. You didn't roll into the fray demanding accountability for the choices of people. You rolled in offering excuses.

andyt andyt:

Maybe if she'd gotten the help she needed then, this would not have happened.

Give her a hug and tell us how it works out for you.

[andyt]

Why demand accountability? The judge already did that. Maybe we could do more than just howl for vengeance when we have so many of these cases come up.

My heart was touched by the description of her childhood. And all he other people I know who went thru similar shit and go no help. Including the stories in the paper about how teens are forced to go back to live with their parents because it's deemed not to be that bad. We can do a lot better than just lock people up after they are already fucked up. Howling for vengeance won't change a thing.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Why demand accountability? The judge already did that. Maybe we could do more than just howl for vengeance when we have so many of these cases come up.

My heart was touched by the description of her childhood. And all he other people I know who went thru similar shit and go no help. Including the stories in the paper about how teens are forced to go back to live with their parents because it's deemed not to be that bad. We can do a lot better than just lock people up after they are already fucked up. Howling for vengeance won't change a thing.

Give her that hug, Andy. I'll dial 911 for you.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

Thanos is an idiot, it's plain to see here.

Yeah, well I just had sex with your wife (while you were out having sex with a hooker).



Fuck you too you selfish fucking lawbreaking whoremongering fucking zero-morals fuck.