[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

Brenda Brenda:

I grew up with buying (and selling) booze at the grocery store. Even at gas stations, although years ago (20 or something), the ones located on the highway were banned from selling alcohol.

There were (are) also private liquor stores and they never went bankrupt because grocery stores sold booze as well. Liquor store simply had more and much better choice.

Currious how old did you have to be to purchase alcohol back in your home land?

Up until December 31, 2013, 16. They upped it to 18 as per Jan. 1 2014.
Which meant, that the people who were allowed to drink just before the New Year, were not allowed to a minute later.
Ridiculous.
It is not going to stop kids from drinking.

[andyt]

It depends on how serious the govt is about enforcing the underage drinking laws. In Canada it's said pot is easier to get than booze for kids because of underage drinking laws. The pot dealers don't care about the law, the booze dealers do. But then you can make the argument that underage booze laws just push kids to use pot instead.

The best answer is obviously to have kids grow up around adults who drink responsibly, including allowing the kids to have a sip or two. My understanding is that's the way it works in Europe, with much less problems with alcohol than we have in Canada, so I'm surprised at what Holland is doing here,

I began going to beer parlors when I was 15, the legal age was 21. Never had much problem getting served. Then they reduced the age to 19 when I was 18, and I had much more trouble getting served because the pubs were under much more scrutiny.

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

drink responsibly

Never heard of that brewery.

[Zipperfish]

Beer parlor? What--did you grow up in the Old West. ha ha ha

I doubt this will make a huge difference to crime and other alcohol related ills. But it will interesting to find out.

[jj2424]

Beer Parlor is not a west term . The only time I ever heard it called that was from people in Winnipeg and Ontario.

[andyt]

That's what they were called when I stared going to them. Huge beer halls, with people piling glasses of beer three levels high on the little round tables they all had. (When one of them went over, look out). Many beer parlors still had separate entrances marked gentlemen and ladies and escorts, because those two groups used to be physically separated - before my time tho. The neighborhood pubs didn't come in until the NDP got in, and it still took quite a while for the beer parlors to disappear or be converted to pubs.

I thought there was a correlation between legal drinking age and alcohol problems, but it seems there isn't one, or at least it's not very strong. Guess prohibition doesn't work that well even for kids.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

It depends on how serious the govt is about enforcing the underage drinking laws. In Canada it's said pot is easier to get than booze for kids because of underage drinking laws. The pot dealers don't care about the law, the booze dealers do. But then you can make the argument that underage booze laws just push kids to use pot instead.

The best answer is obviously to have kids grow up around adults who drink responsibly, including allowing the kids to have a sip or two. My understanding is that's the way it works in Europe, with much less problems with alcohol than we have in Canada, so I'm surprised at what Holland is doing here,

I began going to beer parlors when I was 15, the legal age was 21. Never had much problem getting served. Then they reduced the age to 19 when I was 18, and I had much more trouble getting served because the pubs were under much more scrutiny.

Agreed. Making it taboo is part of he problem. Grow up around it, be responsible about it, and talk about it. My boy is allowed to have a bit of beer or a bit of wine with a meal if he wishes - he's just not interested.

[herbie]

Beer parlour's what they were when I turned 19. Big gymnasium with no decor except red terry-towel tabletops, matching ashtrays and 20 cent beers.
Now they're 'pubs' and you get to sit pretty for $5 beers.

Which BC billionaire will benefit most from the new laws? Who will find cheaper prices? Who will now find they get just enough hours to never, ever be "full-time employees" or get benefits?

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

It depends on how serious the govt is about enforcing the underage drinking laws. In Canada it's said pot is easier to get than booze for kids because of underage drinking laws. The pot dealers don't care about the law, the booze dealers do. But then you can make the argument that underage booze laws just push kids to use pot instead.

The best answer is obviously to have kids grow up around adults who drink responsibly, including allowing the kids to have a sip or two. My understanding is that's the way it works in Europe, with much less problems with alcohol than we have in Canada, so I'm surprised at what Holland is doing here,

I began going to beer parlors when I was 15, the legal age was 21. Never had much problem getting served. Then they reduced the age to 19 when I was 18, and I had much more trouble getting served because the pubs were under much more scrutiny.

Agreed. Making it taboo is part of he problem. Grow up around it, be responsible about it, and talk about it. My boy is allowed to have a bit of beer or a bit of wine with a meal if he wishes - he's just not interested.

Same goes for smokes. Making it look like they 'don't exist' and hide them behind a curtain is so childish.
Kids are not stupid, and the 'forbidden fruit' will always be attractive...

[peck420]

Brenda Brenda:

Same goes for smokes. Making it look like they 'don't exist' and hide them behind a curtain is so childish.
Kids are not stupid, and the 'forbidden fruit' will always be attractive...

Right or wrong, I have always hidden the action of smoking from my children.

I openly talk about it with them, just never actually smoke in front of them.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Agreed. Making it taboo is part of he problem. Grow up around it, be responsible about it, and talk about it. My boy is allowed to have a bit of beer or a bit of wine with a meal if he wishes - he's just not interested.

I remember first getting ahold of beer when I was 12 or so. Spewed it out because it tasted to bad. But then at 14 we got into the homemade wine of the farmer whose raspberries we were picking. There were girls involved, so you had to look like an old hand at drinking. From what I'm told, I tried to kiss all the girls, puked and passed out.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

I remember first getting ahold of beer when I was 12 or so. Spewed it out because it tasted to bad. But then at 14 we got into the homemade wine of the farmer whose raspberries we were picking. There were girls involved, so you had to look like an old hand at drinking. From what I'm told, I tried to kiss all the girls, puked and passed out.

Some things never change. Ha ha ha.

Me, I only got drunk once, from whan I was 15 till now.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

I remember first getting ahold of beer when I was 12 or so. Spewed it out because it tasted to bad. But then at 14 we got into the homemade wine of the farmer whose raspberries we were picking. There were girls involved, so you had to look like an old hand at drinking. From what I'm told, I tried to kiss all the girls, puked and passed out.

Some things never change. Ha ha ha.

Me, I only got drunk once, from whan I was 15 till now.

You restrained devil you. I was getting drunk one day a week from my late teens to maybe mid twenties. Not puking or passing out drunk, but certainly should not have been driving, which I did. We just didn't know how to party without getting faced. Unlike others tho, I could only handle one day a week. I stopped as soon as I started having hangovers the next day - just didn't seem worth it.

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

Same goes for smokes. Making it look like they 'don't exist' and hide them behind a curtain is so childish.
Kids are not stupid, and the 'forbidden fruit' will always be attractive...

Right or wrong, I have always hidden the action of smoking from my children.

I openly talk about it with them, just never actually smoke in front of them.

That is your responsibility as a parent.
We don't hide condoms, why hide cigarettes? Why put booze in a different store where kids are not allowed in?

[Jabberwalker]

jj2424 jj2424:

Beer Parlor is not a west term . The only time I ever heard it called that was from people in Winnipeg and Ontario.

...never heard it used here. Must be Manitoba...