[BartSimpson]

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

[RNG]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

Mrs. Bart was lucky enough to have responsible parents. Unfortunately that isn't true for a bunch of kids. Google some variation of children shot at home or whatever. Lots of hits there.

Is there a net benefit?

[Unsound]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

My kids are disciplined, and I still wouldn't leave weapons, loaded or not, where they had access.

I wonder how much luck was involved in Mrs. Bart making it to adulthood in that scenario? Because I'm willing to bet that a significant number of kids who are killed each year also had parents who taught them to leave the guns alone.

[DrCaleb]

Unsound Unsound:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

My kids are disciplined, and I still wouldn't leave weapons, loaded or not, where they had access.

I wonder how much luck was involved in Mrs. Bart making it to adulthood in that scenario? Because I'm willing to bet that a significant number of kids who are killed each year also had parents who taught them to leave the guns alone.

I'll bet it a combination of some other factors, if the children are taught a healthy respect for firearms. Such as the kids simply not obeying instructions, or too young to understand them.

It's funny, in my sisters neighbourhood, kids are running around with toy guns all the time and I actualy get a little angry if one of the untamed child creatures points one at me. Early conditioning I guess. I never played with toy guns, because guns are not toys.

[Freakinoldguy]

Seems to me that all the Federal Gov't has to do is reword the fekin law so it's clear as to what the requirements are.

If the Ontario Supreme Court feels that people could be put in jail for a license violation, there's something wrong with the way the law is written more so than the intent.

Fix it you nimrods so we can put the proper people in jail ie, gangbangers and retards. and if this law is really worded that badly......it makes the Gun Registry seem downright Liberal.

Sorry, Freudian slip.

[Xort]

I can think of a few ways to end up with an unregistered pistol without having any overt criminal intent. Just about all of them fall around Canada's stupid policy of needing an active membership to a range to own a pistol.

Here is a situation, my friend has his RPAL and a registered pistol and a membership to a range, he can not bring his pistol over to my house, even though I have a RPAL and a membership to a range.

What fucking sense does that make?

But he could leave his rifle in the trunk of his car, while he came over to my place shoot the shit for a while before we went off to go shoot some trees on crown land.

Unsound Unsound:

I wonder how much luck was involved in Mrs. Bart making it to adulthood in that scenario? Because I'm willing to bet that a significant number of kids who are killed each year also had parents who taught them to leave the guns alone.

Well given the number of guns in the USA, and how many are kept in a ready state, the number of accidental gun injuries and deaths are very low. In the range of deaths from insect/animal bites/stings.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

'Minimum sentencing' in general is wrong. Justice should be left to Judges, not partisan politics.

The law should be changed to suggested sentencing with the judge required to make a well justified case for breaking the suggested sentencing to issue a lesser punishment.

[Unsound]

Xort Xort:

The law should be changed to suggested sentencing with the judge required to make a well justified case for breaking the suggested sentencing to issue a lesser punishment.

I like the thrust of your idea here, but get hung up on the practical details. Who gets to decide if the judges case is well justified or not? Wouldn't that just be an automatic justification for appeal? How much legal strength do theses "suggestions" carry and in what practical way are they different from precedent?

[herbie]

Instead, immediately upon seeing someone with a gun who is not a cop - or there's a shooting - everyone should stop, including drivers, stand erect pointing at the shooter or where the shots came from and go "eeek eeeek eeek: lik pod people until the cops follow the trail of pointing fingers and gun the fuckers down Bonnie & Clyde style. Upon which, everyone resumes their normal business and ignores the mess.

[Xort]

Unsound Unsound:

I like the thrust of your idea here, but get hung up on the practical details. Who gets to decide if the judges case is well justified or not?

I would assume other judges, or if you wanted to get real fancy a random selection of the population to read the justification then vote on if they accept or reject the sentence.

$1:

Wouldn't that just be an automatic justification for appeal?

I would think we could instruct the government prosecution to not appeal, as each case where the suggestion was not followed would trigger an automatic review.

$1:

How much legal strength do theses "suggestions" carry and in what practical way are they different from precedent?

Well precedent isn't legally binding, the suggested sentence would require deviation to be well justified and accepted on review, and if rejected would automatically switch to the suggested sentence.

~

As an off of the hand idea to help better enforce sentencing requirements while still letting exceptional cases be dealt with properly.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

Jesus... all we had growing up (that I knew of...) were 3 .22's, a Shotgun, and a Mini 14 and an old Tear Gas gun. (Dad was Tac...) I too was taught to treat them with respect.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mrs. Bart grew up in a home where her dad had 200+ 9mm pistols, a 20mm recoilless rifle, and several fully automatic weapons. Most of which were loaded. She and her brother didn't touch them and that's because her dad taught them to leave the things alone.

Amazing how kids respond to discipline, isn't it?

Jesus... all we had growing up (that I knew of...) were 3 .22's, a Shotgun, and a Mini 14 and an old Tear Gas gun. (Dad was Tac...) I too was taught to treat them with respect.

In my house all we had was my father's bolt action .22 that he bought from the Sears catalog (in the mail) in the 1960's. He about shit himself the first time he saw my first .50 rifle.