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[saturn_656]

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This thread is stunningly depressing.

Something sick in our society, and it's not the patients...

Hard to put into words how much this aggravates me. This is a province that has in the past few years literally, no exaggeration, pissed away BILLIONS of dollars with nothing to show for it.

But 60K a year to keep this girl breathing? No, that's too much. Have to draw the line there. Fiscal responsibility is all of a sudden the prime consideration.

Fuck 'em.

[Jabberwalker]

You want to know where your health care money is going? Look at the bloated bureaucracies in every hospital (They closed down beds to make more office space in my wife's hospital) and the seriously bloated salaries paid to hospital executives. Don't tell me that they're worth the money. They ain't.

[saturn_656]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/girl-12-fr ... -1.1797882

Madi returned to Queens Park today, nearly two months after her initial plea for help, only to find that no progress had been made.

She wonders what she can do to make them listen. Apparently saying "I need this to live" doesn't cut it. Tough lesson for a kid in her position, that the empty platitudes from her government really have no value.

While they dicker over the price, Madi is running out of time. Her father's insurance company is reviewing it's coverage of Madi's medicine and may decide to stop paying in June, if they do the 30% discount from the manufacturer will also stop.

The family would be stuck paying the entire bill and would exhaust all the donated funds in July. Madi's condition would then inevitably deteriorate.

[saturn_656]

Sad story of another little girl, this one in Alberta. She has a cyst in her brain, it causes severe migraines, vision loss, among other issues. Alberta will not lift a finger to treat her. Considers the operation to remove it an "elective procedure". Family has to raise 250k to pay for it.

Wonder why it is always Sun media that seems to lead on these sorts of stories...

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/04/27/en ... Q.facebook

[saturn_656]

OHIP forcing Brampton grandmother to pay for her own chemotherapy.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/05 ... gs.bb.html

[BeaverFever]

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Wonder why it is always Sun media that seems to lead on these sorts of stories...

Because the right-wing media likes to wage jihad on public health care. They want you to believe that under a private insurance system, this woman would have 100% coverage for anything her doctor recommends.

[saturn_656]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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Wonder why it is always Sun media that seems to lead on these sorts of stories...

Because the right-wing media likes to wage jihad on public health care. They want you to believe that under a private insurance system, this woman would have 100% coverage for anything her doctor recommends.

Not interested in waging war on public health care. I am, however, sick of OHIP and Deb Matthews saying "well, that's just the way it is" when kids like Madi need to crowdfund their medicine or grandma needs to pay for her own chemo.

They're fucking up and I'm tired of it. Hope Deb Matthews is unemployed after the election.

[BeaverFever]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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Wonder why it is always Sun media that seems to lead on these sorts of stories...

Because the right-wing media likes to wage jihad on public health care. They want you to believe that under a private insurance system, this woman would have 100% coverage for anything her doctor recommends.

Not interested in waging war on public health care. I am, however, sick of OHIP and Deb Matthews saying "well, that's just the way it is" when kids like Madi need to crowdfund their medicine or grandma needs to pay for her own chemo.

They're fucking up and I'm tired of it. Hope Deb Matthews is unemployed after the election.

So it's Deb Matthews fault? A conservative goverment that "makes tough choices to respect the public purse" would hand out money on demand out of sympathy even if it's contrary to the established insurance guidelines?

Understand, it's not like Deb Mathews swooped in to cut off her coverage. Insurance providers (public or private) have cost-benefit policies and guidelines and this woman's treatment does not conform to those. It sounds cold, but insurers do necessarily need to determine if, for example, keeping someone alive with treatment that costs $1 Million per day, or per week or per year, is a sound investment. At some point, there is a line. They write that line down. People on one side of the line get coverage, people on the other side of the line have to raise their own funds.

So uou're updset because Deb Matthews won't swoop in to override industry standards to make an exception. Not because "they're fucking up."

[saturn_656]

OHIP isn't in practice an insurance provider, despite it's name.

And when you say "this woman" you need to be more specific as I've thrown out multiple examples of people being burned by the system.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So uou're updset because Deb Matthews won't swoop in to override industry standards to make an exception. Not because "they're fucking up."

It might be because under Matthews and the Liberals, our quality of care is decreased with items continually being added to the "we won't pay for that" list.

'Liberals' are supposed to be the 'caretakers' of health care. The sympathetic ones.

[saturn_656]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

'Liberals' are supposed to be the 'caretakers' of health care. The sympathetic ones.

Lipstick on the same old pig.

[PluggyRug]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

'Liberals' are supposed to be the 'caretakers' of health care. The sympathetic ones.

Lipstick on the same old pig.

A pig would shudder at being equated to the current Liberal fools.

[BeaverFever]

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OHIP isn't in practice an insurance provider, despite it's name.

It is exactly an insurance provider. Why would you think otherwise?

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It might be because under Matthews and the Liberals, our quality of care is decreased with items continually being added to the "we won't pay for that" list.

Some problems with that statement OTI:

1) "quality of care has decreased": I don't think there's any measurable to prove that, particularly when you conisder this province was a rock-bottom when Mike "slaash and burn" Harris got done with the province. Harris shut down dozens of hospitals and laid off tens of thousands of nurses, then joked publicly that "like hoola-hoops" nurses were out of style.

2) "Adding more to the we won't pay for that list". Sure, some services were de-listed under the Libs, mostly in their early years, but others were added. Just recently they announced that one cycle of invitro fertilizaiton would be covered. And again, you seem to be implying that some other party (obviously the PC's) were somehow more generous in their coverage, which of course everyone knows the PC's scorched-earth budget cuts were far worse and that's why they haven't been able to get reelected since.

[saturn_656]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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OHIP isn't in practice an insurance provider, despite it's name.

It is exactly an insurance provider. Why would you think otherwise?

If OHIP operated as an insurance company, universal health care would cease to exist. Be happy they don't.

Insurance companies (public or private) rate clients on risk, and charge them accordingly.

OHIP can't.

Insurance companies can decline to serve (and terminate coverage of) clients that entail too much risk.

OHIP can't.

If you fall behind in payments (for OHIP it would be taxes) to your insurance company they can (and will) terminate your coverage.

OHIP can't.

Insurance companies offer multiple insurance products to their clients with varying levels of cost and coverage.

OHIP doesn't.

If you are not satisfied with your insurance company, you can cancel your coverage (and cease paying them).

Can't do that with OHIP.

OHIP isn't an insurance provider, it's a social program.