[Unsound]

Jughead Jughead:

That is just wrong. There is no way many of us can ever endorse gay marriage. For many of us gay marriage falls in direct conflict with our religious beliefs. As no one can force us to change our faith, it is understandable that many of us simply want no part of anything related to gay marriage in our lives.

That's fine. you don't have to get gay-married. You don't have to like gay marriage. you just have to not be a dick about it, as so many people are.

Freedom of religion has been around way longer than gay marriage.

Slavery has been around way longer than thinking slavery is bad has. Longevity doesn't equate to being right.

This fellow who has issues with his employer because he will not endorse gay marriage should get a good lawyer, he has a damn good case.

This part you have right. He is required to tolerate gay marriage, he can't be legally forced to endorse it. If that's what happened here.

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

And some things are way way more important then your faith. In fact you may have to blame faith just a little bit for people wishing to endorse love over hate...

To a person of faith, very few things are more important.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's another example of the gays being intolerant now that they have some control.

A man in the USAF is facing the loss of his career because he followed policy and remained silent instead of voicing his views on gay marriage.

It's not enough that he tolerates gay marriage, oh no! He has to endorse it.

The Russians see this crap and know they did the right thing.

Seriously Bart?
Only straighty whitey can set rules others have to follow?

-5 for bigoted intolerance.

[Zipperfish]

Tooo bad. I was looking forward to the Olympics. Now it's just going to be one big Pride Parade.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Tooo bad. I was looking forward to the Olympics. Now it's just going to be one big Pride Parade.

I doubt that the Chinese and the North Koreans will be getting their gay on for the events.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

I thought I saw an artical saying she, the pole volter, was backing off her comments. Anyone else seen that artical?

Yup. It's funny how things come out of people's mouths, then they hear how it really sounds and try to unsay it. But you can't 'unsay' something.

If she supports this law, fine. Say so. That is her right. If she doesn't, she should have said that the first time, not 'what I really meant was...' in the face of public opinion.

[Teikiatsu]

Brenda Brenda:

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

The problem is people who think that a deviant behavior is worthy of placing on a pedestal and must be aggresively protected from anyone who dares say otherwise. The problem is people who are not satisfied with tolerance but instead demand acceptance and special priviledge.

If you consider being gay 'deviant behaviour', then there is no way there is any discussion possible here.

Sure there is, if you are willing to deal with facts instead of react out of emotion.

American Heritage Medical Dictionary American Heritage Medical Dictionary:

deviant de·vi·ant (dē'vē-ənt)

adj. Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.

n. One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.

[Brenda]

YOU are the one not accepting, not society.

I guess you just described yourself, huh.

And, you taught me that I shouldn't have to accept such behaviour, right? So I hereby declare you an outcast that I want nothing to do with and that should be locked up. That's what we should do with 'deviant' people.

[Teikiatsu]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

The problem is people who think that a deviant behavior is worthy of placing on a pedestal and must be aggresively protected from anyone who dares say otherwise. The problem is people who are not satisfied with tolerance but instead demand acceptance and special priviledge.

You conservatives pay a lot of lip-service to the notion that individual liberties are important, but your actions are very different from your words.

You think I approve of what Russia has done? Think again. I think it's pretty damn stupid. You can't succesfully legislate behaviors that do not infringe on the rights or behaviors of others. At best society can apply shame and etiquette in the public square for any open displays of sexuality be it hetero or gay.

Gays have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as anyone else. But equal rights and treatment means equal, not promoted or granted special protection. People need to grow a thicker skin, understand they don't have the right to not be insulted or offended. In my opinion this pro-gay movement is just the latest fad by a bunch of social justice hippy wannabees who are upset they missed out on the mythical 60's and want to feel relevant in their lifetimes, but don't stop to think that they are frothing at the mouth over is basically an elective sexual behavior that deviates from natural law and is a genetic dead end.

(Which still makes me chuckle when I hear people 'evolving' on the issue.)

[CanadianJeff]

I think seeing as how you failed to actually ask any questions and don't understand that societal norms change all the time at a very rapid pace we all see just how open minded and loving you really are.

The world is changing and I'm sorry you don't understand how dated and disgusting your views really are in today's world.

[Teikiatsu]

Brenda Brenda:

YOU are the one not accepting, not society.

I guess you just described yourself, huh.

And, you taught me that I shouldn't have to accept such behaviour, right? So I hereby declare you an outcast that I want nothing to do with and that should be locked up. That's what we should do with 'deviant' people.

Depends on what you thinks needs to be accepted. Are there gay people? Duh. Everyone accepts that. But that does not mean people have to accept their lifestyle or behavior. It does mean that they have to tolerate it like they tolerate everyone else, within reason.

The rest of your screed is just emotional straw man and irrational hyperbole. No one is talking about ostracizing gays or locking them up, but thanks for playing.

[Teikiatsu]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Tooo bad. I was looking forward to the Olympics. Now it's just going to be one big Pride Parade.

I doubt that the Chinese and the North Koreans will be getting their gay on for the events.

No to mention the general mid-eastern assembly except for maybe Jordan and Israel?

[Brenda]

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

Brenda Brenda:

YOU are the one not accepting, not society.

I guess you just described yourself, huh.

And, you taught me that I shouldn't have to accept such behaviour, right? So I hereby declare you an outcast that I want nothing to do with and that should be locked up. That's what we should do with 'deviant' people.

Depends on what you thinks needs to be accepted. Are there gay people? Duh. Everyone accepts that. But that does not mean people have to accept their lifestyle or behavior. It does mean that they have to tolerate it like they tolerate everyone else, within reason.

Explain to me what there is to 'accept' or 'tolerate' about people of the same sex loving each other?
What is it of your concern who someone loves, has sex with, or shares their life with?
Seriously, it is NONE of your business what someone else does.

$1:

The rest of your screed is just emotional straw man and irrational hyperbole. No one is talking about ostracizing gays or locking them up, but thanks for playing.

Really? Ever heard Putin? Guess not, huh?

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

-5 for bigoted intolerance for bigotry.

Coming from you, that makes me proud

I love you too

[Teikiatsu]

Brenda Brenda:

Teikiatsu Teikiatsu:

Depends on what you thinks needs to be accepted. Are there gay people? Duh. Everyone accepts that. But that does not mean people have to accept their lifestyle or behavior. It does mean that they have to tolerate it like they tolerate everyone else, within reason.

Explain to me what there is to 'accept' or 'tolerate' about people of the same sex loving each other?[1]
What is it of your concern who someone loves, has sex with, or shares their life with?[2]
Seriously, it is NONE of your business what someone else does. [3]

1 - Tolerance is not the issue, but forced acceptance of a behavior by force of law certainly is. When I'm legally bullied into saying it is diverse and beautiful on threat of losing my job, I have a problem. When people tell me that my religion's dogma is hate speech, I have a problem. When gay couples sue private businesses and churches for not agreeing with their lifestyle, I have a problem.

2 - None, until people try to shout over me that it is somehow equivalent (and sometimes superior) to a standard heterosexual coupling, which I am wholly within my rights to believe.

3 - Did I ever say it was? My problem is when people *make* it my business.

$1:

$1:

The rest of your screed is just emotional straw man and irrational hyperbole. No one is talking about ostracizing gays or locking them up, but thanks for playing.

Really? Ever heard Putin? Guess not, huh?

More hyperbole. It's basically a stupid "No Gay PDA" statement and we already see how much it's being challenged. It doesn't keep gay peoeple from living, working and loving in Russia. Check out the middle east for truly terrible persecution of gays in the 21st century.

[Brenda]

Maybe you should be your homework a bit better. It DOES keep gays from doing exactly that in Russia. Why? Because they are being locked up.

Ah, so now you play the 'It is worse over there or there'-card? This topic is about Russia, my dear, where people get locked up for being gay or for being pro-gay rights.