[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

not guilty on aiding the enemy.

guilty on most of the rest.

Good.

[Jabberwalker]

I take it that "Aiding the Enemy" is a capital crime?

[DrCaleb]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I take it that "Aiding the Enemy" is a capital crime?

Yup. But to 'aid the enemy' they have to prove he gave intel directly to the enemy. Just like Snowden, he gave the information to the Press, not the 'enemy'. (unless the press is now the enemy, I might have missed a memo)

[DrCaleb]

I noticed too, that Obamas' promise to help 'whistleblowers' has ended, as the website set up for it has disappeared.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I noticed too, that Obamas' promise to help 'whistleblowers' has ended, as the website set up for it has disappeared.

So much for his bullshit promise about his being "the most transparent Administration in history".

He's used the Espionage Act of 1917 more than all of his predecessors combined. And he uses it against whistleblowers.

He's just another petty tyrant and the sooner he's gone the better.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I noticed too, that Obamas' promise to help 'whistleblowers' has ended, as the website set up for it has disappeared.

So much for his bullshit promise about his being "the most transparent Administration in history".

He's used the Espionage Act of 1917 more than all of his predecessors combined. And he uses it against whistleblowers.

He's just another petty tyrant and the sooner he's gone the better.

Enjoying irony as I do, I like that it disappeared shortly after Snowdon told the world about how the NSA is really watching them. Guess whistleblowers are inconvenient to his administration.

The calls for Manning's head got louder after that video of the Apache gunship shooting reporters came to light too. I'm glad Manning won't have to suffer retaliation for something he didn't do, in exchange for people knowing what their governments are really up to.

[DrCaleb]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... g-verdict/

[Thanos]

Apparently the serial rapist hiding in the Ecuadoran embassy in London who founded Wikileaks is quite upset at the Manning verdict. I'll put his disapproval down that proper justice was served.

I wonder at which moment in his upcoming 128 years of incarceration Manning will actually realize that he tossed his entire life away just so Assange could become famous. Gonna be one awful moment for that poor dumb kid who gave up everything he had, or ever would have, for the glory and enrichment of some fatuous playboy narcissist.

[Jabberwalker]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I take it that "Aiding the Enemy" is a capital crime?

Yup. But to 'aid the enemy' they have to prove he gave intel directly to the enemy. Just like Snowden, he gave the information to the Press, not the 'enemy'. (unless the press is now the enemy, I might have missed a memo)

So, they don't mind locking him up for several lifetimes but if the executed him for aiding and abetting an enemy during a time of war, the game would change ... a lot. He's a sort of naïve little dork, after all.

[maldonsfecht]

Thanos Thanos:

Apparently the serial rapist hiding in the Ecuadoran embassy in London who founded Wikileaks is quite upset at the Manning verdict. I'll put his disapproval down that proper justice was served.

I wonder at which moment in his upcoming 128 years of incarceration Manning will actually realize that he tossed his entire life away just so Assange could become famous. Gonna be one awful moment for that poor dumb kid who gave up everything he had, or ever would have, for the glory and enrichment of some fatuous playboy narcissist.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Apparently the serial rapist...

Accused is the word you're looking for here. The accusation of rape against Julian Assange only came about *after* the Manning files were published. That the Obama Administration orchestrated the accusation as a ploy at getting their hands on Assange is substantially obvious to a number of countries such as Ecuador.

I expect if you were being sought by the Obama Administration they'd accuse you of running a pre-school prostitution ring and dealing drugs to widows and orphans if it would serve their purposes.

With the Obama Administration the truth is something that is hunted down, captured, and buried. Thinking that there's any truth to the convenient accusations against Assange is a questionable practice, at best.

[Thanos]

1) Once again, eliminate "Obama" from your entire post and I doubt you would have written any of that at all. I expect dead silence from you on this issue and on drone strikes when the next GOP administration inevitably pursues the exact same identical policies.

2) Assorange is being accused by Sweden, one of the most neutral countries in the world and one that cannot ever credibly be called a US puppet. It is also one of the most lenient on crime countries in the world. Assorange's sentence, for which he doesn't even have the courage to face trial for, could range from a severe talking-to by the judge to the Swedish version of probation to a couple of years of light time in a prison with it's own golf course. The Swedes don't even bother to do anything about their rabid Muslim males that regularly gang rape Swedish women in the most violent manner possible. Why would they take extra measures with a punk celebrity like Assorange and risk the embarrassment of seeing him walk on their equivalent of date rape charges, if they weren't sure he was guilty?

And, once again, I doubt you'd be so soft on Assange if the US were under a GOP presidential administration today rather than a Democratic one. Sorry, you haven't convinced me on any of this in the slightest.

[GreenTiger]

While I agree that some in some context whistleblowing may be in order, somethings do need to be secret.

Imagine in 1940 if someone in Great Britain disclosed very publicly that that The folks in Bletchly Park broke the German military code because he felt it was disingenuous for a lot of money to be spent in secret and the public needs to know what was going on. Further that the argument that he didn't tell the German directly, that he just made sure that anybody, including them, had free access to this information. I wouldn't have called this a great service to the world.


There has to be a balance somewhere between what needs to be kept secret and the genuine need to know what is going on.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

2) Assorange is being accused by Sweden, one of the most neutral countries in the world and one that cannot ever credibly be called a US puppet. It is also one of the most lenient on crime countries in the world. Assorange's sentence, for which he doesn't even have the courage to face trial for, could range from a severe talking-to by the judge to the Swedish version of probation to a couple of years of light time in a prison with it's own golf course. The Swedes don't even bother to do anything about their rabid Muslim males that regularly gang rape Swedish women in the most violent manner possible. Why would they take extra measures with a punk celebrity like Assorange and risk the embarrassment of seeing him walk on their equivalent of date rape charges, if they weren't sure he was guilty?

And, once again, I doubt you'd be so soft on Assange if the US were under a GOP presidential administration today rather than a Democratic one. Sorry, you haven't convinced me on any of this in the slightest.

Fail. Sweden is one of the few countries where you can have what you think is consentual sex with a woman, and she can retroactively decide that it was not consentual and have you charged and convicted of rape.

$1:

Examples

An example of a less aggravated crime is that the mans genitals touches the womans when she is asleep.

An example of a normally aggravated crime is that the mans sex penetrates a womans vagina when she is asleep.

An example of a less aggravated crime is that the mans genitals touches the womans when he is holding her in some way. She doesn’t have to resist.

An example of a normally aggravated crime is that the mans sex penetrates a womans vagina when he is holding her in some way. She doesn’t have to resist.
Sentences

Touching the genitals of a woman that you are holding steady or who is asleep with your genitals can give up to four years in prison.

Having sex with a woman that you are holding steady or who is asleep when you start can give two to six years in prison.

http://erlinghellenas.wordpress.com/201 ... -rape-law/

Assange met with Swedish prosecuters when the charges were brought forward, and they found no evidence of rape, and let him go. Then, weeks after he left, they brought the charges back after the prosecutor was fired and replaced, and went foreward with their extradition proceedings.

Plus, the whole Assange thing began long before Obama took office.

[DrCaleb]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Imagine in 1940 if someone in Great Britain disclosed very publicly that that The folks in Bletchly Park broke the German military code because he felt it was disingenuous for a lot of money to be spent in secret and the public needs to know what was going on. Further that the argument that he didn't tell the German directly, that he just made sure that anybody, including them, had free access to this information. I wouldn't have called this a great service to the world.

The flaw in your logic is that Manning, and then the Press, went out of their way to ensure that none of the information released was ever likely to comprmise ongoing or future operations during wartime.

All that was ever exposed is how governments were classifying their own embarrassments in order to do reprehensible things in their uninformed citizen's names.

"Imagine if..." senarios only work if they resemble reality.