[Xort]

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First, he'd come for me,

I assume you are making referance to being a communist?

What was the order the communists put people in camps or jails again? Or was it just everyone the government don't trust all at once?

[Freakinoldguy]

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And a dealer who doesn't smell like urine and disappointment

[Freakinoldguy]

I'd give you my opinion on the issue, but it'd be drowned out by all the rhetoric from both sides.

So go at her boys.

[Zipperfish]

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If weed is ever legal in Canada I'm going to set out on a quest to punch every person that goes around in public stinking like pot in the face. I wonder how long I will go before I'm arrested.

Not very long. Probably much more likely to get severely shit-kicked first, just for being an asshole.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Not very long. Probably much more likely to get severely shit-kicked first, just for being an asshole.

I'd doubt that outcome. I've found that in this world the justice or injustice of a beating has little to do with what actually happens.

~

[Public_Domain]

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Xort Xort:

If weed is ever legal in Canada I'm going to set out on a quest to punch every person that goes around in public stinking like pot in the face. I wonder how long I will go before I'm arrested.

Not very long. Probably much more likely to get severely shit-kicked first, just for being an asshole.

I think that's already happened, hence the anger.

[Benn]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It'll be so nice to see crime vanish and gang members flocking the local Wendy's for jobs.

[Xort]

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Difference between you and I, fascist, is that I deplore the disgusting USSR and its horrific practises, and have very openly made that clear whenever it has been brought up.

Not just the USSR you know. I would be pressed to find a communist nation that didn't do a little bit of mass killing. Maybe a modern Cuba but they didn't get where they are blood free. Which isn't to say how when it was as a gangsters hideaway was good either.

$1:

I would NEVER be "doing the getting"; I'd be got.

Maybe, people are willing to do all sorts of things in the right situation.

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I bet you are a nationalists socialist too. Do you support social spending and publicly opreated government services? If so you are a socialist. Do you like the nation you live in, not limited to the government but the nation formed of the people and the social structure? If so you are a nationalist. Put them together, then speak German, and you're a Nazi. But we are not German and are speaking english, so you might call yourself a Socialist Nationalist, or a Nationalist Socialist, or a National Socialist, or any other combo. The core point is that if you ignore the historical German Nazi government and what they did, which turned away from Naso at about the 1/3 point, the basic ideas of being a nationalist that believes in socialism isn't wrong and has nothing to do with fascism.

I find the objectivism put forward most famously by Rand to be monsterous to a point past the real life practice of so called communists.

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I still haven't been moved by the pro pot side's arguments. From my experince they fall into basic groups:

1: Replace everything with stuff made from hemp.
Hemp can be used for a lot of stuff, it doesn't make it the best at anything it can be used for. We are not going to get huge amounts of hemp industry replacing current materials, even with the feed stock being a by product of the for smoking pot industry.

2: Legalize and tax will make huge amount of extra money.
It will make some extra money, however most of the current income earned is spent back into our economy already. Drug producers and dealers buy things too. While the overall spending for pot might be many billions per year, thinking that we will get a flat conversion of the total market into a set tax rate of extra government income is wrong, it follows the same curve of any tax on economic activity.

The total growth of the economy from legalization will be very minor as the industry is already at it's market blanced max. Simply put the black market is filling the demand so don't expect a huge bump in economic growth.

3: Don't put people in jail for breaking drug laws, this will reduce costs of prisons and help people.
Then why not push for all crimes that didn't directly and actively harm someone no longer be crimes? If the logic of it doesn't hurt anyone else so it should be legal is good enough for pot the why not for lots of other activities that are currently crime that don't hurt anyone?

Or another argument for the same point is that people in jail for pot crimes are fighting for a change in law and shouldn't be looked down on. I would counter that just because you don't like a law doesn't mean you can break it without having to be punished. Bad laws can be changed in time with proper orginization and political motivation. Saying I don't like it, I will break it, OMG why are you punishing me is a child's reasoning.

4: Pot is a super drug that cures everything.
Research is more than a little mixed on what the positives and negitives are. Bottom line: The common form of breathing in burnt matter isn't good for you. The side effects of the mix of chemicals that you absorb into your body from using pot are mixed but not clearly better for having it.

People like to get high, I can accept that even if I don't think that's a great justification. However, don't try and sell pot as a the modern day snake oil cure all.

[Zipperfish]

You forgot swimming pools.

[Public_Domain]

[Curtman]

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Bodah Bodah:

If drinking isn't a crime, then weed sure as hell shouldn't be.

Ah yes the well established justification of something else is wrong, so fuck the whole system because it's not perfect!

Curtman Curtman:

It's a shame this forum has dragged you down to this level. I remember a discussion about Opium Wars where you claimed that drug prohibition had achieved some success, somewhere. It was wrong, but it was interesting.

If weed is ever legal in Canada I'm going to set out on a quest to punch every person that goes around in public stinking like pot in the face. I wonder how long I will go before I'm arrested.

For over half my life I've listened to potheads try and sell me on the pot economy and how everything will be better if we used pot to replace common materials. I've checked the numbers for the legalize and tax it get rich plans. I've given thought to the idea of lowering prisoner number by just making some things not a crime anymore.

Know what I've never heard from a pothead? "Yeah fuck all that shit, I like just want to get high like everyday for cheap man."

Never once has a pothead been honest with me. So fuck all potheads. I will do everything I can to keep pot illegal and to raise the punishment for pot crimes, because the people that use pot have at a personal level pissed me off.

What's this make you, a druggist? No, maybe just ignorant.

[PluggyRug]

I thought a pot head was some girl high on weed giving your weeny a suck.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You forgot swimming pools.

What's that have to do with anything?

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You forgot swimming pools.

What's that have to do with anything?

A lot. There's push to reduce the depth from nine feet to a safer three feet. Pro-pool types don't want it though. Pools don't kill, people pool... or get wet... or run over cats. Whatever the argument is.

Maybe you should wander around and punch people in the face who smell like chlorine.