[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Saw a thing on DaVinci's Inquest where the plan was to cross train firefighters and cops, instantly adding more 'cops' to the mix. Even tho DaVinci is mostly based on real events in Vancouver, I've never heard of this proposal before. Maybe there's something there tho.

Esquimalt BC did this for years before they amalgamated with the Victoria police Force and it actually worked out real well for everyone concerend. The police got a break from the stress of being a cop full time and the firefighters got to become more involved in the community and as a bonus it kept costs down after initial training.

But like I said, a previous City council got conned by Victoria into thinking that amalgamation would actually be more cost effective. Well it hasn't. The people in Esquimalt are paying more for less policing than they had before and want to go back to the old system but I don't know if they'll ever get their wish especially since the Province is trying to get all the CRD municipalities to amalgamate their policing much like Toronto did.

For the people of Esquimalt this was a case of becareful what you wish for because you just might get it.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I knew a social worker on a remote reserve. She said to me "If I followed the book, there wouldn't be a child on that reserve that wasn't in foster care." Cops, I believ are in teh same situation.

Good thing she didn't do her job otherwise we couldn't look forward to yet another generation of failures.

[uwish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Comparing the CF to the police is a bad comparison. I've worked 10 years Regs and a lot of time in blue. This isn't a 'bad apple' case, it's a cultural response to b ad political leadership and inaction of police leaders.

And on your 'stench' (more vagaries from you). Police misconduct happens and it's addressed either through the Police Services Act or criminal court. The oversight police have far outweighs any other profession. Show me your ‘massive coverups’.

More unfounded rhetoric Captain.

how is it unfounded? you seem to agree that police can decide not to take action when ordered by the courts? It wasn't me who was yielding a tongue lashing to the police it was the judge and for some unknown reason they decided to not enforce a court order.

They don't get to make that decision. End of story. That isn't political and that isn't unfounded rhetoric, constable.

[Zipperfish]

Xort Xort:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I knew a social worker on a remote reserve. She said to me "If I followed the book, there wouldn't be a child on that reserve that wasn't in foster care." Cops, I believ are in teh same situation.

Good thing she didn't do her job otherwise we couldn't look forward to yet another generation of failures.

Yes, Xort, so easy to criticize from sitting on your fat ass in front of a monitor. I'd like to see you, as a social worker, go door to door on a remote Indian reserve with the local cop and demand they turn over their children to foster care. See how that works for you.

[EyeBrock]

uwish uwish:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Comparing the CF to the police is a bad comparison. I've worked 10 years Regs and a lot of time in blue. This isn't a 'bad apple' case, it's a cultural response to b ad political leadership and inaction of police leaders.

And on your 'stench' (more vagaries from you). Police misconduct happens and it's addressed either through the Police Services Act or criminal court. The oversight police have far outweighs any other profession. Show me your ‘massive coverups’.

More unfounded rhetoric Captain.

how is it unfounded? you seem to agree that police can decide not to take action when ordered by the courts? It wasn't me who was yielding a tongue lashing to the police it was the judge and for some unknown reason they decided to not enforce a court order.

They don't get to make that decision. End of story. That isn't political and that isn't unfounded rhetoric, constable.

Police are following orders old chap. Show me where they aren't. Plus you still haven't told me about the massive cover up. I'll go with unfounded rhetoric.

[uwish]

Yup orders from their brass

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

Saw a thing on DaVinci's Inquest where the plan was to cross train firefighters and cops, instantly adding more 'cops' to the mix. Even tho DaVinci is mostly based on real events in Vancouver, I've never heard of this proposal before. Maybe there's something there tho.

Esquimalt BC did this for years before they amalgamated with the Victoria police Force and it actually worked out real well for everyone concerend. The police got a break from the stress of being a cop full time and the firefighters got to become more involved in the community and as a bonus it kept costs down after initial training.

But like I said, a previous City council got conned by Victoria into thinking that amalgamation would actually be more cost effective. Well it hasn't. The people in Esquimalt are paying more for less policing than they had before and want to go back to the old system but I don't know if they'll ever get their wish especially since the Province is trying to get all the CRD municipalities to amalgamate their policing much like Toronto did.

For the people of Esquimalt this was a case of becareful what you wish for because you just might get it.

Yup, have regretted it ever since.

[Dayseed]

Another unforeseen consequence of driving up police costs are minimum mandatory sentences. It used to be that a plea agreement could be made for those cases that ate up the majority of actual court time, drunk-driving and marijuana grow-operations, but now there's no sense in pleading out. (Make those two things legal and the courts would practically be empty...)

Now, if people are charged with minimum mandatory sentence crimes, they fight it out...on a legal aid ticket too if they can. That eats up police time to testify (on OT if it's an off-duty day), court time and prosecutor's time.

Streamlining disclosure would also cut down on costs. Police spend oodles of time gathering together everything they did in an investigation, including bathroom breaks, rather than marshalling the evidence they plan to use against the accused. An accused can make full answer and defence based on that rather than playing the "Where are the janitor's notes?" game trying to trigger Charter delay issues.

[EyeBrock]

Nice to see you back Dayseed! And you are right. Most calls and investigations are way more labour intensive than they ever were.

Add in demands from case-law, OIPRD, FOI, PSA, SIU and the police are spending more time proving they filled in a specific piece of paper than ever. Plus we are just not getting the range of jackboots we used to be able to choose from.

[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Plus we are just not getting the range of jackboots we used to be able to choose from.

awww, poor guys, are the neon green ones on backorder again ?

[Dayseed]

martin14 martin14:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Plus we are just not getting the range of jackboots we used to be able to choose from.

awww, poor guys, are the neon green ones on backorder again ?

It's all hilarious until its your relative that's missing and corners are being cut in the investigation/search efforts in order to keep costs down.

A lot of civilianization could probably benefit most police forces, but its going to be a couple of years to optimize and implement.

A quick fix there won't be. There never is in these situations.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes, Xort, so easy to criticize from sitting on your fat ass in front of a monitor. I'd like to see you, as a social worker, go door to door on a remote Indian reserve with the local cop and demand they turn over their children to foster care. See how that works for you.

Are you saying because it's hard we don't help?

WTF are you even Canadian?

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes, Xort, so easy to criticize from sitting on your fat ass in front of a monitor. I'd like to see you, as a social worker, go door to door on a remote Indian reserve with the local cop and demand they turn over their children to foster care. See how that works for you.

Are you saying because it's hard we don't help?

WTF are you even Canadian?

You seem to be having some trouble with comprehension. It appears the suggestion was you politely put your money where your mouth is and try your plan on the local reserve.

I'm betting you don't though. I suspect it's big internet talk - like the threat of punching everyone you see that smells of pot.

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

You seem to be having some trouble with comprehension. It appears the suggestion was you politely put your money where your mouth is and try your plan on the local reserve.

If my job was in social services I would do my job to the requirement of the law and the guide lines of my employer. What I wouldn't do is leave a child in a dangerous house because I'm only escorted by one armed police officer. That's what was suggested. Leave a child to suffer because the big scary natives are going to hurt me.

$1:

I'm betting you don't though. I suspect it's big internet talk - like the threat of punching everyone you see that smells of pot.

What are you betting on? That I don't quite my job, go to school to learn to be a social worker then get hired as a social worker, then asked to be asigned to work in the middle of nowhere just so I can help native children out of bad homes?

You are one hell of a risk taker, remind me never to get into a game of chicken with you, you crazy mad man.

Also the one with the comprehension failure would seem not to be just limted to myself. Although the more I think of it, the more I suspect I could punch a lot of pot smokers before getting busted.

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