[PublicAnimalNo9]

uwish uwish:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Perhaps its a good time to poke holes in the whole "criminals don't shoot armed people" theory. In fact it's the opposite -- when you know the other guy has a gun, a fist-fight is never an option. Instead you go straight from trading insults to trading bullets and hope to hit the other guy before he hits you. This was the case in the Jane Creba shooting, the Eaton Centre shooting, and this Scarborough BBQ shooting. They were all petty disputes that went straight from words to shots simply because each guy knew the other was armed making a fist-fight impossible.

There was a recent study out of Harvard IIRC that stated that people that carried guns around with them, were more likely to be shot, than those that didn't.

hum, yet police carry everyday and I don't hear of them being shot with their own firearm??? hum....

Where does it say they'd be shot with their own firearm??? hum...

[raydan]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

There was a recent study out of Harvard IIRC that stated that people that carried guns around with them, were more likely to be shot, than those that didn't.

Probably has more to do with what kind of people they are, what they do, that they are hated by friends and enemies alike... and not by the fact they carry.

EDIT: Not considering police and other "good guys".

[uwish]

I must have misunderstood, I took that comment that you were implying if you carried you are more likely to get shoot. Hence my police comment.
But it's kind of like a red hearing, if you drive a car your more likely to be injured in a car accident than if you don't drive..it's a bit obvious.

[saturn_656]

The Ontario AG has a real hard on for "relieving" Canadians of their personal property coast to coast... all because Toronto has a gangbanger problem.

[BartSimpson]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The Ontario AG has a real hard on for "relieving" Canadians of their personal property coast to coast... all because Toronto has a gangbanger problem.

Right. And when that coast-to-coast gun ban doesn't work he'll predictably blame the USA for the gang problem in Toronto.

The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the criminals using them.

Frankly, Toronto needs to experiment with issuing carry permits to responsible, properly vetted citizens to see how that can have a chilling effect on crime.

I can't imagine it being too radical to suggest starting by issuing permits to retired police officers.

[uwish]

yup I completely agree, once this starts to spread and word on the street gets out I bet you will start to see a dramatic decrease in violence offenses.

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The Ontario AG has a real hard on for "relieving" Canadians of their personal property coast to coast... all because Toronto has a gangbanger problem.

Right. And when that coast-to-coast gun ban doesn't work he'll predictably blame the USA for the gang problem in Toronto.

The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the criminals using them.

Frankly, Toronto needs to experiment with issuing carry permits to responsible, properly vetted citizens to see how that can have a chilling effect on crime.

I can't imagine it being too radical to suggest starting by issuing permits to retired police officers.

The problem is the guns, because using a gun is perfect for gang-land cowards. Nobody wants to fight, too much work...and stabbings, way too messy.

Experimenting with carry permits would be a terrible idea, but then again, I don't expect much of an "idea" from your side of the border.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The Ontario AG has a real hard on for "relieving" Canadians of their personal property coast to coast... all because Toronto has a gangbanger problem.

Right. And when that coast-to-coast gun ban doesn't work he'll predictably blame the USA for the gang problem in Toronto.

The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the criminals using them.

Frankly, Toronto needs to experiment with issuing carry permits to responsible, properly vetted citizens to see how that can have a chilling effect on crime.

I can't imagine it being too radical to suggest starting by issuing permits to retired police officers.

See today's headline: Canadian Crime now at 40-year low. Thanks for coming out.

[2Cdo]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Experimenting with carry permits would be a terrible idea, but then again, I don't expect much of an "idea" from your side of the border.

Sure, because everything we're doing now is working so well.

[2Cdo]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The Ontario AG has a real hard on for "relieving" Canadians of their personal property coast to coast... all because Toronto has a gangbanger problem.

+5 for the truth!

[raydan]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Experimenting with carry permits would be a terrible idea, but then again, I don't expect much of an "idea" from your side of the border.

Sure, because everything we're doing now is working so well.

See BF's post...
Canadian Crime now at 40-year low. Thanks for coming out.

Strange though... as much as we hear that the crime rate and the severity of that crime is going down, you wouldn't guess it by reading the news and surfing the Web. I guess it's because that all crime is so reported on and discussed now that it just seems to be getting worse.

[2Cdo]

I would question a reduction in violent crime. Lower crime rates can be misleading depending on how their statistics are gathered.

[OnTheIce]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Experimenting with carry permits would be a terrible idea, but then again, I don't expect much of an "idea" from your side of the border.

Sure, because everything we're doing now is working so well.

Don't let facts get in the way of making your point.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/C ... story.html

$1:

Police services reported nearly two million incidents last year, about 110,000 fewer than in 2010, the agency reported. And the severity of crime index — a tool used to measure the extent of serious crime in Canada — also declined by six per cent.

[2Cdo]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Experimenting with carry permits would be a terrible idea, but then again, I don't expect much of an "idea" from your side of the border.

Sure, because everything we're doing now is working so well.

Don't let facts get in the way of making your point.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/C ... story.html

$1:

Police services reported nearly two million incidents last year, about 110,000 fewer than in 2010, the agency reported. And the severity of crime index — a tool used to measure the extent of serious crime in Canada — also declined by six per cent.

From your own link.

$1:

There was, however, a reported increase last year in homicide, sexual offences against children, impaired driving and most drug offences. In particular, there were 44 more homicides in Canada in 2011 than in 2010, bringing the total number to 598.

$1:

Winnipeg, however, had a six per cent increase in the severity of violent crime, giving it the highest rank among census metropolitan areas.

Five other census metropolitan areas recorded increases in the seriousness of violent crime with the largest being reported in Gatineau, Que., and Guelph, Ont.

Looks like some of the "facts" agree with me. The point is gun crime prevention in Toronto is not working and that is why I agreed with trying a new approach.

Your dismissal of any advice from the US reveals an ignorance that I've come to expect with you.

[OnTheIce]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Looks like some of the "facts" agree with me. The point is gun crime prevention in Toronto is not working and that is why I agreed with trying a new approach.

Your dismissal of any advice from the US reveals an ignorance that I've come to expect with you.

Of course I'd dismiss the idea of having open-carry in Canada. It's dumb. We have a spike in gun crime, so let's legalize guns and have people walking around with them?

Are you that thick to think that's advice even worth considering?