[peck420]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

uwish uwish:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Doctors circumcise boys for health reasons. There is no medical grounds for female genital mutilation, other than evil monkeys run those societies.

BS there is NO medical evidence it's beneficial. NONE.

Boys that are uncircumcised are much more likely to get UTI's, STD's, etc.

95% of boys that have an penile infection are uncircumcised.

Almost ALL males with penile cancer are uncircumcised.

I'm not at all religious yet had my son circumcised the day after he was born. Looks better and reduced his risk of having medical issues as a child and as an adult.

Can you post the studies please?

All of the studies that I have seen see circumcised males enjoying a 1-2% reduction in infection rates. Nothing overly spectacular.

As for the penile cancer...if that was true, why does the US have a significantly larger rate of penile cancer than the UK, when the UK has a significantly lower rate of circumcision?

USA penile cancer rate: 1/100,000
USA circumcision rate: between 20-80%, varies widely by area

UK penile cancer rate: 0.8/100,000
UK circumcision rate: less than 20%

[peck420]

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

But that is what is meant when female circumcision is mentioned. Also, female circumcision is done for the sole reason of not letting women enjoy sex. Or having orgasms at all. Which makes it a power thing.

Male circumcision is not done for that reason.

So, we don't deal with fact, we deal with interpretation?

Female circumcision was sold as genital mutilation using a very minute number of cases.

Why can't we do the same for men? I can show you a couple of pictures of what they do in some very remote areas in regards to the male penis...

That would make the two equitable.

As for decreasing sexual pleasure, I would dare say that removing 70% of the nerve endings in a male circumcision would greatly decrease sexual pleasure as well, but I am not planning on getting cut to find out.

Which, btw, is removing as much nerve ending as the entire female clitoris.

[Brenda]

We are not talking about very remote area's here, we are talking about the Western World. If you are going to show me pictures of circumcised penises in dark Africa, then please, put up some of circumcised women who are undergoing forced abortions by a medicine man too.

I am not for or against circumcision. I am saying it should be a choice. And either done within the first few days after birth, by the choice of the parents, or as an adult, chosen to do so by the male himself.

We make many choices for our children, from the moment of conception (to abort or not abort is the first one).

[Prof_Chomsky]

Read the down side of male circumcision before you decide it’s a good idea to let people mutilate babies for cosmetic or religious purposes.

Just because it’s been done forever doesn’t make it right.

[peck420]

I just wanted to add that I am anti-circumcision...to a point.

I will never do it to my children, but I respect others rights to their own decisions.

However, it has never been proven to be medically necessary, so I do believe that it should be an elective procedure (consumer pays full cost) unless it is deemed necessary.

[peck420]

Brenda Brenda:

We are not talking about very remote area's here, we are talking about the Western World. If you are going to show me pictures of circumcised penises in dark Africa, then please, put up some of circumcised women who are undergoing forced abortions by a medicine man too.

I am not for or against circumcision. I am saying it should be a choice. And either done within the first few days after birth, by the choice of the parents, or as an adult, chosen to do so by the male himself.

We make many choices for our children, from the moment of conception (to abort or not abort is the first one).

Sorry Brenda, I am not trying to pick a fight, I just get very riled up when people try to play the "it's entirely different for women" card...when by fact, it is not.

My personal opinion is that all genital mutilation should be banned until the recipient is of legal age to make their own decision, but I do understand that my personal opinion means slightly more that jack squat.

So see my post above.

[Brenda]

Again, I personally would not circumcise my baby boy. I would also not abort my child. I also would not marry a woman. I would also not take my children to church and mentally abuse them with that kind of indoctrination. Does not mean that I don't think it should be a choice.
I did pierce my girls ears when they were about 2 years old. That was for no other reason than cosmetic.

[peck420]

Lol, I fought my wife long and hard about ear piercings...to which I lost.

I am very much a believer in it is their body and their right to choose. Which falls right in line with my beliefs on marital status, religion, etc.

I show them what is out there when they are under age, and hope they make the best decisions for themselves when they come of age...fingers crossed.

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

I just wanted to add that I am anti-circumcision...to a point.

I will never do it to my children, but I respect others rights to their own decisions.

However, it has never been proven to be medically necessary, so I do believe that it should be an elective procedure (consumer pays full cost) unless it is deemed necessary.

Should that go for abortions too?

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

We are not talking about very remote area's here, we are talking about the Western World. If you are going to show me pictures of circumcised penises in dark Africa, then please, put up some of circumcised women who are undergoing forced abortions by a medicine man too.

I am not for or against circumcision. I am saying it should be a choice. And either done within the first few days after birth, by the choice of the parents, or as an adult, chosen to do so by the male himself.

We make many choices for our children, from the moment of conception (to abort or not abort is the first one).

Sorry Brenda, I am not trying to pick a fight, I just get very riled up when people try to play the "it's entirely different for women" card...when by fact, it is not.

My personal opinion is that all genital mutilation should be banned until the recipient is of legal age to make their own decision, but I do understand that my personal opinion means slightly more that jack squat.

So see my post above.

Haha, no worries Your opinion means as much as mine

[OnTheIce]

peck420 peck420:

Can you post the studies please?

Circumcision The Medical Pros and Cons
http://www.medicinenet.com/circumcision ... rticle.htm

Circumcision for the prevention of urinary tract infection in boys: a systematic review of randomised trials and observational studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00853.pdf

Male Circumcision and Risk for HIV Transmission and Other Health Conditions: Implications for the United States
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsh ... cision.pdf

Urinary Tract Infections in Children: Why They Occur and How to Prevent Them
http://www.aafp.org/afp/1998/0515/p2440.html

$1:

uncircumcised boys had a 4.1 percent incidence of UTI during their first year of life, while girls had an incidence of 0.5 percent and circumcised males an incidence of 0.2 percent.

[DanSC]

I think we can all agree that female circumcision and male circumcision are very, very different. Female circumcision involves cutting off the hood and clitoris, where male circumcision doesn't involve cutting off the actual tip of the penis.

[peck420]

Brenda Brenda:

Should that go for abortions too?

Are you asking about being only available to those over 18, unless with parental consent? Or, about it being available, but requiring payment?

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

Should that go for abortions too?

Are you asking about being only available to those over 18, unless with parental consent? Or, about it being available, but requiring payment?

It being an "out of pocket expense" for anyone, unless medically necessary. (and define "medically necessary then...)

[OnTheIce]

peck420 peck420:

Sorry Brenda, I am not trying to pick a fight, I just get very riled up when people try to play the "it's entirely different for women" card...when by fact, it is not.

My personal opinion is that all genital mutilation should be banned until the recipient is of legal age to make their own decision, but I do understand that my personal opinion means slightly more that jack squat.

So see my post above.

Circumcision isn't gentile mutilation. It's a word commonly thrown around from people with views such as yours.

Circumcision doesn't change the function of the penis, nor does it degrade it's appearance.

Comparing it to female circumcision is just plain ignorant.