[Brenda]

So why can't we give someone a jail sentence to serve AFTER his mental facility treatment? Why can't a crime, that is punishable with a life sentence, just be that, even when someone is deemed not criminally responsible?

Someone does not take his pills, beheads a man, gets back on his pills, all is fine, let's evaluate if he can go outside in the community is ok?

I'm sorry, but imho, he should be behind bars for a number of years, preferably life. I prefer bars of a mental institution.

Of course I understand that there are other things the family and friends will have to live through. But this particular thing is unnecessary and preventable.

[Curtman]

Brenda Brenda:

So why can't we give someone a jail sentence to serve AFTER his mental facility treatment? Why can't a crime, that is punishable with a life sentence, just be that, even when someone is deemed not criminally responsible?

Someone does not take his pills, beheads a man, gets back on his pills, all is fine, let's evaluate if he can go outside in the community is ok?

I'm sorry, but imho, he should be behind bars for a number of years, preferably life. I prefer bars of a mental institution.

Of course I understand that there are other things the family and friends will have to live through. But this particular thing is unnecessary and preventable.

This is why I asked if you'd like to see him put in a hole. Should he be allowed to see daylight? He is behind bars. His doctors think it would be a good idea to let him outside every once in a while.

[ShepherdsDog]

Increase the size of the compound and put a wall around it, and then let him have his daily walks in the open air. That institution is notjust for those suffering from mental illness, it houses the criminally insane who are a danger to themselves and others.

Lee needs to be supervised at all times. He was supposed to have been on medication, at the time he butchered McLean, but had gone off of them. He can only be deemed safe when he maintains his drug regime, and to do that he has to have someone ensure he stays on his meds. That can only be done at some sort of supervised care facility for the rest of his life.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Increase the size of the compound and put a wall around it, and then let him have his daily walks in the open air. That institution is notjust for those suffering from mental illness, it houses the criminally insane who are a danger to themselves and others.

Lee needs to be supervised at all times. He was supposed to have been on medication, at the time he butchered McLean, but had gone off of them. He can only be deemed safe when he maintains his drug regime, and to do that he has to have someone ensure he stays on his meds. That can only be done at some sort of supervised care facility for the rest of his life.

Who is talking about setting him free? He is at a supervised care facility.

[ShepherdsDog]

Where he should remain until his dying day, because he's already demonstrated that he can't be trusted to maintain his medication, which resulted in him butchering someone during a psychotic episode.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

the criminals do still have rights in this country

It's debatable if this guy is human other than physically.

As much as it sucks to admit, the guy is suffering from some serious hardware and software problems. One can make an argument that anyone who does bad is suffering from hardware and software issues to some extent, but this guy suffered from a particularly massive failure and he did an unspeakable crime.

He's human - he's the very frightening human that can be in every person that develops mental health issues and psychological disorders. Frankly, it's far more pleasant to demonize the guy than to honestly admit that you (suffering from the same horrendous affliction) could do the same thing.

[ShepherdsDog]

There are monsters that walk amongst us.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

So why can't we give someone a jail sentence to serve AFTER his mental facility treatment? Why can't a crime, that is punishable with a life sentence, just be that, even when someone is deemed not criminally responsible?

Someone does not take his pills, beheads a man, gets back on his pills, all is fine, let's evaluate if he can go outside in the community is ok?

I'm sorry, but imho, he should be behind bars for a number of years, preferably life. I prefer bars of a mental institution.

Of course I understand that there are other things the family and friends will have to live through. But this particular thing is unnecessary and preventable.

Guy didn't take his pills and he suffered from a massive mental meltdown that resulted in him butchering a kid.

He was found not criminally responsible and rightly so. I think he should remain in an institution because frankly, he demonstrated irresponsibility with respect to his meds and the outcome was too horrific to take the chance on repeating.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There are monsters that walk amongst us.

More precisely, everyone has the potential to be a monster.

Interestingly, this guy is demonized for his crime (yes, it was amazingly horrendous) that he did during a psychotic outburst from a mental disorder and the local kid drinking and driving a stolen car that slammed into a tree and killed a 15 year old youth gets a few days of headlines and that's it.

Li had no control over his mental faculties (yes, he didn't take his meds but I'm betting he didn't think he was going to eat someone when he made that choice)

The retarded kid chose to steal a car, chose to drink an drive, and chose to take a 30km corner at 80 km.

Who's the monster?

[Brenda]

Why would he have the right to go OUTSIDE of the facility? INTO the community? Only 4 years after he killed Tim McLean? Why is that even an option?

I'm not saying he should be locked up in a padded room 24/7, as what Curtman implies I am saying, but this is just the other end of the stick. Too much, too soon.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Why would he have the right to go OUTSIDE of the facility? INTO the community? Only 4 years after he killed Tim McLean? Why is that even an option?

I'm not saying he should be locked up in a padded room 24/7, as what Curtman implies I am saying, but this is just the other end of the stick. Too much, too soon.

Not sure, but I assume it must be part of the program. I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

[Brenda]

Well... The psychiatrist recommended it to the board and the Crown did not object... So it could be very soon, actually...

He is also allowed several hours outside on facility grounds...

As long as he takes his meds, he's fine and understands what's going on. That's an old story. He was on those meds before, and found he was cured so got off. That's when he killed McLean. I agree with Shep, this man needs 24/7 supervision, because we cannot be sure he will take his meds.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Well... The psychiatrist recommended it to the board and the Crown did not object... So it could be very soon, actually...

He is also allowed several hours outside on facility grounds...

As long as he takes his meds, he's fine and understands what's going on. That's an old story. He was on those meds before, and found he was cured so got off. That's when he killed McLean. I agree with Shep, this man needs 24/7 supervision, because we cannot be sure he will take his meds.

I think I said the same thing. I don't think he should leave the grounds.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Why would he have the right to go OUTSIDE of the facility? INTO the community? Only 4 years after he killed Tim McLean? Why is that even an option?

I'm not saying he should be locked up in a padded room 24/7, as what Curtman implies I am saying, but this is just the other end of the stick. Too much, too soon.

They did the same with the Schoenfeld guy until it turned out his wife lived right were he would have outside visits - that got cancelled real quick.

Forensic institution usually have pretty nice grounds with fences - I have no problem with Li being allowed to wander around there. But he doesn't need to go outside the institution. The problem is the they are trying to "cure" him, so going outside is part of that program to get him to adjust to the outside world. I don't believe a cure is as likely as the shrinks. Sure, the meds reduce or eliminate his symptoms, but he's not cured. If he's released, and stops taking his meds, he'll be dangerous again. That's what happened with the beheading incident - he stopped taking his meds.

[Benn]

Curtman Curtman:

He's going to get a review every year until the day he dies in that place.

Curtman Curtman:

.. He's never going to be free, so its not necessary to get the public in a frenzy about it.

Yet if you read the article and even remotely follow this you'd know he actually gets what's asked for in each review.

$1:

Li was initially kept inside a locked wing of the mental hospital. But after an annual review of his treatment in 2010, Li started being granted short, supervised walks on the hospital grounds.

Last year (after the following review, the Manitoba Review Board decided to gradually increase those walks to several hours.

This year they want him into GP and community romps, my money is on he'll get it.

This dude will be getting out. Thankfully one article I read said doctors pegged him at 0.8% to re-offend Wow, down the a decimal point they can predict this. This rating is more for the doctors than anything. If the guy kills again once he's out it helps them sleep better thinking, 'well odds were firmly against it.'

Of course he'll get out. I find it humourous to think otherwise in our system if you work in it or know anything about it.

Give him a few years and he'll be good to go. Tell him the party is at Curtman's house, it's where all the good dope is. Just hope he does not forget to take his meds, again. But if he does it's nothing to lose your head over.