[GreenTiger]

his sounds insane. There are a number of people in North America that have mental "issues" (for lack of a better word) but are able to cope and be useful members of society. If someone is that much on edge and can get that violent in a public setting he that he needs to be in an environment where he can be controlled to protect the rest of society.

[Brenda]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

his sounds insane. There are a number of people in North America that have mental "issues" (for lack of a better word) but are able to cope and be useful members of society. If someone is that much on edge and can get that violent in a public setting he that he needs to be in an environment where he can be controlled to protect the rest of society.

Regardless of how they got it.
I agree.

[andyt]

FAS and FAE are birth defects caused by the consumption of alcohol during pregnancy. FAS/FAE is a nation-wide health concern, and it does not discriminate on the basis of race, socioeconomic status, or sex. Because of lack of recognition and diagnosis, it is difficult to be certain how many individuals have FAS/FAE. About one baby out of 500 to 3000 annual live births will have FAS; this is called the incidence of FAS (how often a problem occurs annually).

The incidence of FAS is greater than the incidence of either Down's Syndrome or Spina Bifida. The incidence of FAE is 5 to 10 times higher than the incidence of FAS.

This means that, each year in Canada, somewhere between 123 - 740 babies are born with FAS, and around 1000 babies are born with FAE (based on 370,000 births per year). Prevalence means the number of people in a population that have a problem at a specific point in time.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

FAS and FAE are birth defects caused by the consumption of alcohol during pregnancy. FAS/FAE is a nation-wide health concern, and it does not discriminate on the basis of race, socioeconomic status, or sex. Because of lack of recognition and diagnosis, it is difficult to be certain how many individuals have FAS/FAE. About one baby out of 500 to 3000 annual live births will have FAS; this is called the incidence of FAS (how often a problem occurs annually).

The incidence of FAS is greater than the incidence of either Down's Syndrome or Spina Bifida. The incidence of FAE is 5 to 10 times higher than the incidence of FAS.

This means that, each year in Canada, somewhere between 123 - 740 babies are born with FAS, and around 1000 babies are born with FAE (based on 370,000 births per year). Prevalence means the number of people in a population that have a problem at a specific point in time.

And it is totally preventable where Down or SB is not.

[andyt]

It's preventable the way alcoholism is - ie not in real life.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

It's preventable the way alcoholism is - ie not in real life.

It is totally preventable.
Alcoholics should not be allowed to bring babies into this world.
A. There's a GREAT chance they have a birth defect
B. They are not able to take care of them.

[andyt]

We'd have to lock up every woman of childbearing age to make sure she doesn't drink. How many women don't seem to realized they're pregnant until quite some time has passed? I looked up just to be sure, and alcohol is dangerous at any time of the pregnancy.

What you are suggesting would never fly in this society - unfortunately. But doing a better job at reducing alcoholism would help a lot.

$1:

In Canada, about 15% of women use alcohol during pregnancy.

[raydan]

andyt andyt:

We'd have to lock up every woman of childbearing age to make sure she doesn't drink. How many women don't seem to realized they're pregnant until quite some time has passed? I looked up just to be sure, and alcohol is dangerous at any time of the pregnancy.

What you are suggesting would never fly in this society - unfortunately. But doing a better job at reducing alcoholism would help a lot.

$1:

In Canada, about 15% of women use alcohol during pregnancy.

Or we could do what they did to people with Down syndrome, sterilize alcoholics.

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

$1:

In Canada, about 15% of women use alcohol during pregnancy.

Are you saying 15% of pregnant women are alcoholics?

[andyt]

It says what it says, and that there's no safe level of alcohol use in pregnancy.

[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240412.php

$1:

Timing of exposure was evaluated for zero to six weeks after conception, six to 12 weeks after conception, and during the first, second, and third trimesters.

The results showed that:
Higher prenatal alcohol exposure in every alcohol consumption pattern was significantly linked to an increased risk of the baby being born with reduced birth weight or length, having a smooth philtrum, thin vermillion border or microcephaly.

The most significant links were during the second half of the first trimester.

During this period of gestation, for every increase of one alcoholic drink in the average daily consumption, there was a 25% increase in risk for smooth philtrum, 22% increase in risk for thin vermillion border, 12% for microcephaly, 16% for reduced birth weight, and 18% for reduced birth length.
The authors note that the links "were linear, and there was no evidence of a threshold."

"Women should continue to be advised to abstain from alcohol consumption from conception throughout pregnancy," they add.

Feldman said the fact they found no links during the first half of the first trimester between alcohol consumption and FAS signs should not be taken to mean it is safe to drink alcohol during this stage of pregnancy.

Their study only took into account live births and so did not include women who may have miscarried or had stillbirths.

"It is important to know that alcohol-exposed infants who would have exhibited alcohol-related minor malformations might also be more likely to be lost to miscarriage following exposure during the first six-week window," warned Feldman.

"Clinicians should continue to follow the recommendations to encourage women who are planning a pregnancy or have the potential to become pregnant to avoid alcohol, and to advise women who become pregnant to stop alcohol consumption," said Feldman.

"These new findings can also help clinicians quantify the importance of discontinuing alcohol as early as possible."

[Regina]

andyt andyt:

It says what it says, and that there's no safe level of alcohol use in pregnancy.

Actually you are wrong as there has been no scientific proof published saying the occasional drink such a glass of wine will produce a child with FAS. Your quoted statistic means nothing.

[andyt]

$1:

If a pregnant woman drinks any alcohol at any time during pregnancy, the alcohol crosses the placenta to the fetus. Alcohol damages the developing cells of the fetus. The brain and central nervous system are particularly sensitive to alcohol and can suffer permanent damage.

Any amount can have some effect, so there is no minimum amount of alcohol in pregnancy that is safe. The developing fetus can't break down the alcohol as quickly as an adult, so its exposure to alcohol is actually higher than the mother's.

Consuming alcohol in any form during pregnancy is dangerous to the fetus. Alcohol is officially classified as a known teratogen, which means it can cause birth defects in the fetus. The more alcohol a pregnant woman drinks, the greater the risk of the fetus developing FAS or FAE. Drinking early in pregnancy may cause changes in the facial features, heart and other organs, bones, and the central nervous system. In Canada, about 15% of women use alcohol during pregnancy.

http://bodyandhealth.canada.com/conditi ... ase_id=307

$1:

Summary Statements
1. There is evidence that alcohol consumption in pregnancy can
cause fetal harm. (II-2) There is insufficient evidence regarding
fetal safety or harm at low levels of alcohol consumption in
pregnancy. (III)
2. There is insufficient evidence to define any threshold for low-level
drinking in pregnancy. (III)
3. Abstinence is the prudent choice for a woman who is or might
become pregnant. (III)

http://www.sogc.org/guidelines/document ... G1008E.pdf

$1:

January 19, 2012 — With respect to alcohol-related birth defects and growth deficiencies, there is no safe amount of alcohol use during pregnancy, confirms a new study based on prospectively collected data on nearly 1,000 women.

"These new findings can help the clinician quantify the importance of discontinuing alcohol as early as possible," Haruna Sawada Feldman, PhD, MPH, of the Department of Pediatrics, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, told Medscape Medical News.


Dr. Haruna Feldman
"Women who are of childbearing age and who are contemplating or at risk for becoming pregnant should be encouraged to avoid drinking, and women who are pregnant should abstain from alcohol throughout pregnancy," she advised.

The study was published online January 17 in Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757195

[Brenda]

Of course it is. BUT. One glass will not cause much damage, since the mother's body is cleaning it up, as well as the placenta. That is what it is there for.

I love the fear mongering "the baby's exposure to alcohol is actually higher than the mother's".

Expecting mothers should abstain from alcohol the moment they figure out they are pregnant. FAS is TOTALLY preventable.

[andyt]

As I said, in theory so is alcoholism. Not in reality. But we can have best practices to at least try to reduce it. Doing something about the native situation besides welfare and get out of jail free cards would go a long ways there.