[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Back in my day we didn't need a protest to skip school...

yeah, yesterday was just so long ago.... speaking of which, have you managed to finish school yet, or made any effort to finishing the bare minimum?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

5 YEARS of maternity leave?? 10 days of for the death of a friend?? 8 days off just because?? $2.200 whether an on call teacher works or not?? 26 weeks off to take care of just ANYONE??

22% increase in wage??

Yeah, ALL for the children...

The whole list is pretty ridiculous but you might want to be careful when you're looking at it as those may have been their initial demands, not what they were willing to truly settle for. It's also from the Taxpayers federation and they have a bit of a bad habit if slanting things a bit.

The complaint I hear the most when people are referring to teachers wages is that they only 8 months a year. I personally think teachers put in crap loads of extra hours when they are working so that doesn't really bother as much. What gets me is that every time I turn around my kids have the day off. Teachers all ready get a load of time off, why do they next all those extra days throughout the school year?

Here in Alberta teachers renumeration are tied to what's called the average wages (or something along those lines). The problem with that is that it doesn't take into account many of the other economic factors. As an example, say a company has two people working for it. One guy makes 100k a year and the second makes 60k a year. The average would be 80k a year. But if times got tough for this company and they had to lay off someone guess who's going to get the axe, ya normally it's the guy lower down the ladder so it's the 60k guy who looses his job. Now the average wage has gone from 80k to 100k.

Same goes for the number of people employed. Example; a company has 100 people making 75k a year but it has to lay off 25 people or it would go bankrupt; that type of thing isn't captured with average wage calculations. Private companies would go go bankrupt if they calculated their wages in such a manner but not so for the government, they just come back to joe blow tax payers and take more.

[Lemmy]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I was going to look up my kids school calendar to add up all the extra days off minus Christmas, spring break and Easter (my kids are in separate school so they get both a spring and Easter break) but the site is down. I'm not shitting you man, 2 to 4 days a month my kids are out of school and that's not including long weekends. Does that not sound a bit excessive?

Then your beef is with the Board. They make the school calendar. Teachers aren't consulted.

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Brenda Brenda:

5 YEARS of maternity leave?? 10 days of for the death of a friend?? 8 days off just because?? $2.200 whether an on call teacher works or not?? 26 weeks off to take care of just ANYONE??

22% increase in wage??

Yeah, ALL for the children...

The whole list is pretty ridiculous but you might want to be careful when you're looking at it as those may have been their initial demands, not what they were willing to truly settle for.

I know that
Imho tho, if you want to be taken seriously as a bargaining partner, you have to come with a serious plan...

$1:

The complaint I hear the most when people are referring to teachers wages is that they only 8 months a year. I personally think teachers put in crap loads of extra hours when they are working so that doesn't really bother as much. What gets me is that every time I turn around my kids have the day off. Teachers all ready get a load of time off, why do they next all those extra days throughout the school year?

Well, if you compare 13 weeks of vacation with 15 DAYS after 5 years, I think everyone who is complaining, they have a point. Cannot make a full time salary when you work part time...
I don't necessarily care whether they get PAID in 9 months or in 12, as long as they do not get 12 full time paychecks, but the equivalent of 9...

[Lemmy]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, if you compare 13 weeks of vacation with 15 DAYS after 5 years, I think everyone who is complaining, they have a point. Cannot make a full time salary when you work part time...
I don't necessarily care whether they get PAID in 9 months or in 12, as long as they do not get 12 full time paychecks, but the equivalent of 9...

Well, you're living in fantasy land. You wouldn't find 5 people in the world who'd go to university for 5 years, earning nothing, to get a part-time job at the end. Good luck finding teachers if that's how you'd treat them.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, if you compare 13 weeks of vacation with 15 DAYS after 5 years, I think everyone who is complaining, they have a point. Cannot make a full time salary when you work part time...
I don't necessarily care whether they get PAID in 9 months or in 12, as long as they do not get 12 full time paychecks, but the equivalent of 9...

Well, you're living in fantasy land. You wouldn't find 5 people in the world who'd go to university for 5 years, earning nothing, to get a part-time job at the end. Good luck finding teachers if that's how you'd treat them.

I think YOU live in a fantasy world. Do you know how many teacher do not have a full time contract? Do you know how many nurses can only get a casual job because that is the only thing offered?
I take it they don't go to school at all tho, because after all, since a teacher is an overpaid baby sitter, a nurse is an overpaid ass wiper.

Working 9 months out of 12 is NOT full time. Sorry to burst your fantasy.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, if you compare 13 weeks of vacation with 15 DAYS after 5 years, I think everyone who is complaining, they have a point. Cannot make a full time salary when you work part time...
I don't necessarily care whether they get PAID in 9 months or in 12, as long as they do not get 12 full time paychecks, but the equivalent of 9...

Well, you're living in fantasy land. You wouldn't find 5 people in the world who'd go to university for 5 years, earning nothing, to get a part-time job at the end. Good luck finding teachers if that's how you'd treat them.

Not everyone is ready to kow tow to their demands, Lemmy, nor is being unwilling to kow tow to the union a suggestion the people under value teachers. I get it that you are a union guy but believe it or not, there are those who are not and they are tired of the bullying tactics being used by the union and the fact that children are being used as pawns to ratchet up the pressure on the government. Additionally, tax payers are getting tired of funding the public service trough to the tune that the public service is demanding.

They make a pretty good wage and have decent benefits. If they are unhappy with their lot they can move on to greener pastures. There is, frankly no shortage of those in waiting.

[Lemmy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not everyone is ready to kow tow to their demands, Lemmy, nor is being unwilling to kow tow to the union a suggestion the people under value teachers. I get it that you are a union guy but believe it or not, there are those who are not and they are tired of the bullying tactics being used by the union and the fact that children are being used as pawns to ratchet up the pressure on the government. Additionally, tax payers are getting tired of funding the public service trough to the tune that the public service is demanding.

Actually, I will be negotiating on behalf of management, not the union...unless the union wants to out-bid the Board for my services.

Gunnair Gunnair:

They make a pretty good wage and have decent benefits. If they are unhappy with their lot they can move on to greener pastures. There is, frankly no shortage of those in waiting.

I expect the unions to give consessions on wages. I think you'll see that the unions are open to do their share for austerity. The tax payers' anger, however, is misdirected when it's directed at teachers. The waste in education spending is on the boards' side, not the unions'. You're right, teachers make a good wage. But Brenda's nonesense about paying them on what would amount to a 2/3 contract is a silly notion. It's a statement that, in her world, she doesn't want public education. What she really wants is public daycare.

[Brenda]

This is one of my favourites, btw:

$1:

• Unlimited leave for teachers for union business.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, if you compare 13 weeks of vacation with 15 DAYS after 5 years, I think everyone who is complaining, they have a point. Cannot make a full time salary when you work part time...
I don't necessarily care whether they get PAID in 9 months or in 12, as long as they do not get 12 full time paychecks, but the equivalent of 9...

Well, you're living in fantasy land. You wouldn't find 5 people in the world who'd go to university for 5 years, earning nothing, to get a part-time job at the end. Good luck finding teachers if that's how you'd treat them.

Not everyone is ready to kow tow to their demands, Lemmy, nor is being unwilling to kow tow to the union a suggestion the people under value teachers. I get it that you are a union guy but believe it or not, there are those who are not and they are tired of the bullying tactics being used by the union and the fact that children are being used as pawns to ratchet up the pressure on the government. Additionally, tax payers are getting tired of funding the public service trough to the tune that the public service is demanding.

They make a pretty good wage and have decent benefits. If they are unhappy with their lot they can move on to greener pastures. There is, frankly no shortage of those in waiting.

Good post, I'd rep ya but this infernal rep system won't let me (again).

If it was "all about the children" as teachers claim they would continue with there work to rule program and then go on strike in September before the kids go back to school. This isn't the first time the teachers union has put students at risk at the end of a school year and doesn't do much to garner support for their cause.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Brenda Brenda:

This is one of my favourites, btw:

$1:

• Unlimited leave for teachers for union business.

I liked the 5 year mat leave one that you pointed out earlier

I just want the buggers to work when they're suppose to. I have a full time tutor hired for both my daughters. My ten year old is a good student but there are still times when she needs extra help and believe that all the extra time teachers are taking off is partly to blame for that.

[ShepherdsDog]

Five year mat leave? That must only be a BC thing because my wife had one year, the same time everyone else in Canada is entitled to under EI. Or, you must be confusing Canada with Sweden

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The tax payers' anger, however, is misdirected when it's directed at teachers. The waste in education spending is on the boards' side, not the unions'. You're right, teachers make a good wage. .

The teachers are the ones who are walking out on the children.

The teachers are the ones who are well compensated, are constantly asking for more.

I don't think there's an issue of waste, there's an issue of paying a fair wage and not making demands without respect to the economic reality or taxpayers in general.

[raydan]

Asking for WAY more, just hoping you'll get at least what you really want, or a little bit more. The thing is, if you go too "over the top", you come out looking like an idiot... and I think the teachers/union crossed that line.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The teachers are the ones who are walking out on the children.
The teachers are the ones who are well compensated, are constantly asking for more.

Name a profession that doesn't constantly ask for more. And what ANYONE asks for and what they get are two different things. That's negotiating. Teachers don't expect to get what they're asking for.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I don't think there's an issue of waste, there's an issue of paying a fair wage and not making demands without respect to the economic reality or taxpayers in general.

There's not an issue of waste only because the general public doesn't understand the education system. It's easier to just yell "Over paid teachers" and keep their heads in the sand.