[Thanos]

If any American city gets nuked by terrorists the only thing I'd say would be guaranteed would be that Iran would be turned into a sea of radioactive glass by no later than the following evening. Maybe even North Korea too, depending on whether or not the Yanks feel restrained at all by any Chinese, Japanese, or South Korean objections (the neighbours after all will be the ones who end up suffering directly from when the fallout starts poisoning everything). The fun part would happen later in terms of Russian/Chinese response, the form and personality of the American government afterwards, whether or not the liberal/moderate vs conservative/theocratic dynamic inside the US finally breaks out into fullblown civil war, will the Israelis use the chaos as an opportunity to finally destroy the Syrians/Hezbollah/Hamas and ethnically cleanse all of the Paletinians from all the disputed territories, etc, etc, etc. Fun scenario-izing indeed. Just like playing old Avalon Hill board games, except all the blood and dying will be for real.

Y'know, I get happier every day to live in Canada, mainly because we're actually in a terrific postion to successfully isolate ourselves from the moronic antics of the idiots that populate the rest of the planet. I'm starting to think that we should be the ones telling them all to fuck off and leave us alone.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

If the US invaded Canada we would kick their asses just like last time.

Part of the reason I think the book is a compilation of War College scenarios is the detail of Kratman's fictional invasion of Canada. CF ORBAT is done up in detail and he gives the CF credit for an outstanding defense before being overwhelmed and then he has the Canadian public running an insurgency for over a century.

I don't think Canada would win such a thing but, ultimately, neither would the USA and the author of the book fairly represents this.

[andyt]

Why Iran - they have no nukes to give. Doubt NK would be supplying them, but if they did, and the US wanted to nuke them, they'd have to ask China first if it's OK

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

If the US invaded Canada we would kick their asses just like last time.

Part of the reason I think the book is a compilation of War College scenarios is the detail of Kratman's fictional invasion of Canada. CF ORBAT is done up in detail and he gives the CF credit for an outstanding defense before being overwhelmed and then he has the Canadian public running an insurgency for over a century.

I don't think Canada would win such a thing but, ultimately, neither would the USA and the author of the book fairly represents this.

I agree. It would be like the War of 1812 or teh American Revolution against England--we would simply make invasion and occupation too distasteful over the long term, to contemplate.

[CharlieHammer]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Andy, if the USA eventually has a city nuked (as most analysts believe is an eventuality) then you'll see that most Americans won't give a s*it what is thought of them elsewhere in the world so long as their kids are safe and the threat is vaporized.

I think Bootlegga cited the book Caliphate and it was an interesting read in that it portrayed a US attacked with seven nukes of which only three successfully detonated. The remaining four were in places like Chicago, New York City, Seattle, and some other traditionally liberal city. The political winds changed instantly as formerly liberal people realized they were only alive because someone botched the job of nuking them. The result was a US that ended up nuking some 200 cities and expelling all Muslims and then tragically invading Canada to clean it up, too.

Please tell me which cities you would nuke that would eliminate the threat instead of increasing it? And I notice you've already upped the ante from 911 to several US cities being nuked. You do know that a full nuke is very unlikely, rather it would be a dirty bomb, which isn't really a nuke attack, right?

Good point. Nuke them all.

[Zipperfish]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Good point. Nuke them all.

Is that a stormfront moving in?

[CharlieHammer]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Good point. Nuke them all.

Is that a stormfront moving in?

Nope, I am an individualist whose views may fit into one or more groups out there in the eyes of people who are used to viewing the world in unoriginal ways, relying on cliche concepts as the building blocks of their arguments.

[Lemmy]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Nope, I am an individualist whose views may fit into one or more groups out there in the eyes of people who are used to viewing the world in unoriginal ways, relying on cliche concepts as the building blocks of their arguments.

[CharlieHammer]

Lemmy Lemmy:

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Nope, I am an individualist whose views may fit into one or more groups out there in the eyes of people who are used to viewing the world in unoriginal ways, relying on cliche concepts as the building blocks of their arguments.

Another cliche response.

[Lemmy]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Another cliche response.

Dude, the guy's smoking a beer keg. Or has he welded steel wash-buckets together?

[Zipperfish]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Nope, I am an individualist whose views may fit into one or more groups out there in the eyes of people who are used to viewing the world in unoriginal ways, relying on cliche concepts as the building blocks of their arguments.

Really--because it looks to me like you are just a genocidal freak.

You suffer from a common delusion--that you have been granted some special revelation into affairs either because you are so much more intelligent than everyone else, or because you have been "chosen."

But there is no uncommon insight here, just ugly, plain old fear and loathing masquerading as a moral crusade.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

The political winds changed instantly as formerly liberal people realized they were only alive because someone botched the job of nuking them.

Sounds similar to what happened to the dove movement in Israel. They got fed up offering concessions and trying to engage the Arabs, only to be victims of terrorism.

[CharlieHammer]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Nope, I am an individualist whose views may fit into one or more groups out there in the eyes of people who are used to viewing the world in unoriginal ways, relying on cliche concepts as the building blocks of their arguments.

Really--because it looks to me like you are just a genocidal freak.

You suffer from a common delusion--that you have been granted some special revelation into affairs either because you are so much more intelligent than everyone else, or because you have been "chosen."

But there is no uncommon insight here, just ugly, plain old fear and loathing masquerading as a moral crusade.

Such vicious words. Are you an anti-individualist? That would not be very enlightened of you.

[Zipperfish]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Such vicious words. Are you an anti-individualist? That would not be very enlightened of you.

They weren't intended to be vicious. Sorry you took them that way. Just stating the facts as I see them.

I'd describe myself as a staunch individualist. Just not a particularly genocidal one.

[CharlieHammer]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

Such vicious words. Are you an anti-individualist? That would not be very enlightened of you.

They weren't intended to be vicious. Sorry you took them that way. Just stating the facts as I see them.

I'd describe myself as a staunch individualist. Just not a particularly genocidal one.

I accept your apology.