[Robair]

He's gonna get high whilst jamming to an old Eagles tune with the rest of his band.

[DerbyX]

I think Mr_Canada has a father figure to look up to now.

[Public_Domain]

[romanP]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

there are many criminal activities that make the participants happy.....including heroine, acid, met. and even marijuana.

IMO, I think its a valid point to take offense to someone that wants to put this along side of bicycle, camping, even watching TV after a hard days work.

Most people would not take acid after a hard days' work. That's more of a weekend or gone-camping activity.

A joint after work is preferable to a drink. A joint will make you chill the fuck out. Alcohol might do that too, but for some people, they get violent and fists fly if their day went badly. There is not much domestic violence caused by pot.

[Wally_Sconce]

my wise grandmother used to tell me to hate the sin but love the sinner.

Sadly, the liberal faith of political correctness often seeks to legalize the sin, and discriminate and shun the sinner.

In general, the worst crowd are the ones that feel that the can 'handle' the drugs without getting screwed up. They shun the addicts, and the non-users.

[Wally_Sconce]

romanP romanP:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

there are many criminal activities that make the participants happy.....including heroine, acid, met. and even marijuana.

IMO, I think its a valid point to take offense to someone that wants to put this along side of bicycle, camping, even watching TV after a hard days work.

Most people would not take acid after a hard days' work. That's more of a weekend or gone-camping activity.

A joint after work is preferable to a drink. A joint will make you chill the fuck out. Alcohol might do that too, but for some people, they get violent and fists fly if their day went badly. There is not much domestic violence caused by pot.

a joint versus a drink? how many people get violent after one drink? how many people get stoned after one joint?

[romanP]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I get no self enjoyment in watching a drug addict throw away their entire life on an artificial perception.

You couold make that same statement about marriage, watching television, playing video games, spending time on-line, golfing or any number of pursuits that, in someone's opinion, constitutes "wasting their life". Adam Smith would say that WHATEVER someone is doing is THEIR best use of THEIR time. It's not for others to judge.

surely, you are not saying all that, and chosing to hold drug addiction to the "recreational" podium? drug addicts are not on higher moral ground than those that you just mentioned.

I would not put drug addicts on any kind of moral ground, because they do not have the capacity to judge what is moral anymore. They have abused their bodies so much that decision making processes have become altered to do nothing but feed the drug habit, no matter how unreasonable or how much more self-harm will come as a result.

That said, most potheads are not drug addicts, just people who want to relax and have a good time. If that's not your thing, then don't do it, but don't pretend it's any of your business either.

[romanP]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

my wise grandmother used to tell me to hate the sin but love the sinner.

Sadly, the liberal faith of political correctness often seeks to legalize the sin, and discriminate and shun the sinner.

In general, the worst crowd are the ones that feel that the can 'handle' the drugs without getting screwed up. They shun the addicts, and the non-users.

If you can't handle drugs, don't do them.

"I wouldn't advocate drugs, violence or insanity to anyone. But they've always worked for me."
-Hunter S. Thompson

[romanP]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

romanP romanP:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

there are many criminal activities that make the participants happy.....including heroine, acid, met. and even marijuana.

IMO, I think its a valid point to take offense to someone that wants to put this along side of bicycle, camping, even watching TV after a hard days work.

Most people would not take acid after a hard days' work. That's more of a weekend or gone-camping activity.

A joint after work is preferable to a drink. A joint will make you chill the fuck out. Alcohol might do that too, but for some people, they get violent and fists fly if their day went badly. There is not much domestic violence caused by pot.

a joint versus a drink? how many people get violent after one drink?

I don't know, but it's conceivable that there are people who get violent after one drink.

$1:

how many people get stoned after one joint?

All. But that's not the sole intention of this question, is it.

[Wally_Sconce]

romanP romanP:

I would not put drug addicts on any kind of moral ground, because they do not have the capacity to judge what is moral anymore. They have abused their bodies so much that decision making processes have become altered to do nothing but feed the drug habit, no matter how unreasonable or how much more self-harm will come as a result.

this post a good example of wanting to love the sin but hate the sinner.

[Dayseed]

I didn't read the whole 19 pages, so this may have been covered already, but if people out there believe that marijuana produced in Canada is wholly consumed in Canada, they're nuts.

Organized crime isn't going to turn their back on something because it's been legalized; it's a simplistic argument put forth with little regard to history, current events or common sense.

Organized crime commits crime where there's room for profit.

If that were the case, there wouldn't be pirated movies. It's legal to go to a theatre and watch a movie, yet strip malls in Toronto are filled to the brim with cheap pirated movies.

Not only are airbags legal, they're mandatory! But, there are organized car theft rings that chop off steering wheels to get at unpopped airbags because it's cheaper than going to the dealership to get a legal one.

If legalizing marijuana were guarenteed to end the criminal element, then the same logic would be true for liquor and cigarettes. Yet, the CBSA reports HUGE seizures of smuggled tobacco and liquor each year. How come the Hell's Angels still run smokes and booze? Oh yeah...there's profit to be made in selling a legal product cheaper than the taxes allow for. I bet half of you do it too. A quick trip down to the States, buy some cheap liquor, stick it in the trunk next to the shoes and don't declare it.

So, even in Canada, legalizing things doesn't end organized crime. TAXING marijuana would jack up the price of it ENCOURAGING organized crime to still traffic it.

But hey, didn't you start off the post with something about Canadian marijuana being consumed in Canada or something, I heard somebody shout.

Yes. Even if Canada legalized marijuana, the United States hasn't, and has no real plans to. Can we see how organized crime is going to be all over this as it already is? Remember when Canada had legalized hooch and the States had prohibition? How did that work out for Canada not having organized crime running booze south of the border?

If any argument for legalized marijuana is going to be made, it's going to be a "versus" argument vis a vis alcohol. It's pretty hard to argue that marijuana is a worse drug than alcohol is, healthwise or socially. I hate belligerent drunks, they pick fights and get in your grill, but hard-core stoners can be left to drool by themselves in a corner. Stoners don't get high and beat their wives; they point and laugh at the family dog...maybe even to the point they hurt the dog's feelings.

I don't know what the answer to the marijuana problem is, but I know that arguments for legalizing it to end organized crime or police resources in fighting the organized crime that grows it, sells it and shoots each other up for it isn't the answer.

Happy Easter.

[Bodah]

Good point about its effect or lack of on organized crime. I think why this issue never goes away, is because just like some people like to come home and have a drink after work. Alot of people out there like to come home and smoke a joint instead. We all know there is no comparison between alcohol and pot as far as which one is more harmfull.

So I suppose people that smoke are tired of feeling like they are doing something illegal. I always found the overwhelming majority of people that are against pot have never smoke a blunt in their lives and that's fine. But probably get out of thier minds drunk on occasion.

[Ripcat]

Bodah Bodah:

Good point about its effect or lack of on organized crime. I think why this issue never goes away, is because just like some people like to come home and have a drink after work. Alot of people out there like to come home and smoke a joint instead. We all know there is no comparison between alcohol and pot as far as which one is more harmfull.

So I suppose people that smoke are tired of feeling like they are doing something illegal. I always found the overwhelming majority of people that are against pot have never smoke a blunt in their lives and that's fine. But probably get out of thier minds drunk on occasion.

And most of those people that prefer to smoke a joint after work would prefer to get their pot through a legal source and not support organized crime.

It could lead to a revolution in home gardening. Steak with fresh garden salad followed by a testing of you and your neighbours' new crops in the waning days of summer.

[ridenrain]

Good post Dayseed.

One of the side effects of the drug war is the illegal arms industry that supports it.

$1:

Nanaimo RCMP seized a high-powered arsenal yesterday morning, including a .50-calibre machine gun, two automatic assault rifles, grenades, explosives and other firearms - 41 weapons in total. Police also seized at least $50,000 in cash, half a kilogram of cocaine, and an assortment of blasting caps and detonator cords. But they were particularly concerned about the .50-calibre machine gun, powerful enough to destroy vehicles and airplanes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... ional/home

Anyone thinking this crap wasn't bought with the money they got from pot is delusional.

[raydan]

Ripcat Ripcat:

And most of those people that prefer to smoke a joint after work would prefer to get their pot through a legal source and not support organized crime.

It could lead to a revolution in home gardening. Steak with fresh garden salad followed by a testing of you and your neighbours' new crops in the waning days of summer.

I was a very light consumer in my late teens. Maybe I would like a toke once in a while but I don't see myself looking for a pusher.

What I don't like about pot today is the concentration of "active ingredients" compared to what was on the market when I was young. Come-on man, we smoked leaves in the 70s. One "advantage" of legalization would be that it could be sold with different concentrations.