[hurley_108]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Alright, so more along the lines that since there is no differentiation in the genders within the marital relationship legally, there is no reason to differentiate between SSM and HSM legally?

Correct.

[hurley_108]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

My counterpoint to that would be that homosexual couples cannot provide the exact same service to society, so that government would be justified in differentiating in terms of offering benefits. Note that I am not necessarily opposed to civil unions and according benefits in conjunction with those, but I see it as a fundamentally different relationship.

I take it this "service to society" is procreation? A woman in an FF marriage can, if she wants, go have an anonymous one-night stand, and get pregnant, and raise that baby with her wife. There are certain insurmountable biological impediments to a man being able to do the same thing, but that doesn't mean he's not able to raise a minor child from a previous marriage or relationship with another man. Or they can adopt. That a relationship is same-sex does not prevent children from being a part of that relationship.

I must admit I don't feel like following two trains of argument at once. Do we want to pursue this or the other?

The other. This one's more of a specific case.

[Pseudonym]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Alright, so more along the lines that since there is no differentiation in the genders within the marital relationship legally, there is no reason to differentiate between SSM and HSM legally?

Correct.

That is a very interesting point, but I believe government must take other factors into consideration other than just legal standing of genders in the relationship.

[Pseudonym]

Such as procreation, differences in the effects of said relationship on society, etc.

[hurley_108]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Such as procreation, differences in the effects of said relationship on society, etc.

I agree that the state has a responsibility to keep a watch over such things, I think it can do more than it is without resorting to the sledgehammer approach of just keeping SSM illegal, PARTICULARLY in the US.

In Canada, a woman who gives birth is entitled to 15 weeks of unpaid leave, with an additional 35 weeks of leave which can be shared with the father. The 35 weeks is also available to adoptive parents. This leave becomes paid leave at 55% of salary if the parent has worked at least 500 hours in the 12 months prior to birth or adoption.

The US offers 12 weeks unpaid leave to mothers and fathers. No paid leave. And this is only available to public employees and employees of companies which employ at least 50 people within a 75 mile radius.

These leaves could be boosted if you wanted to encourage people to have children, whether or not you allowed SSM.

As to other effects of SSM relationships, what would those be?

[acidcomplex]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

As to other effects of SSM relationships, what would those be?

Does nobody think of the kids??. "Hey your the kids with two dads who bum each other all day."

Kids are mean and its unfair to bring a child into a relationship that will cause him/her grief right from the get go.

Still dont care if they marry, just sayin.

[DerbyX]

They used to say that about mixed race kids also. No matter what kids will find something to be mean to other kids about. The reason is usually just an excuse.

[Brenda]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

As to other effects of SSM relationships, what would those be?

Does nobody think of the kids??. "Hey your the kids with two dads who bum each other all day."

Kids are mean and its unfair to bring a child into a relationship that will cause him/her grief right from the get go.

Still dont care if they marry, just sayin.

So kids get to hear now their hetero-sexual parents are "bumming eachother" all day?

I know kids are mean, but if "we" all accept homosexuality (and what way is better than to allow them to marry?) kids won't get teased.
Then again, they are teased by being red-heads too.
Good parents will explain the other kids are "not nice" for saying things like that.

[BartSimpson]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Does nobody think of the kids??. "Hey your the kids with two dads who bum each other all day."

Kids are mean and its unfair to bring a child into a relationship that will cause him/her grief right from the get go.

Still dont care if they marry, just sayin.

Isn't it interesting that kids seem to just know that gay marriage is wrong?

All the liberal bleating about tolerance in the public schools just goes *poof* if you hand thirty kids a rubber ball and tell them to play 'dodgeball' and then shut up when they instead decide to play 'smear the queer'.

Left to their own devices children are not politically correct.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Then again, they are teased by being red-heads too.

I grew up being teased for having red hair. And that crap came to a screeching halt when I hit high school and started putting my fist in anyone's face who wanted to get their jollies at my expense.

The truth is that kids will always be kids no matter what kind of bulls*it the schools want to put out.

The best way for a kid (gay or otherwise) to defend themselves on the playground is to defend themselves on the playground. Asking the teachers to defend them is just going to make it worse the next time.

And telling some evil little sh*t not to tease the red haired kid or the gay kid is just not going to work. Some people only comprehend pain and it is foolishness to try to reason with them.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Does nobody think of the kids??. "Hey your the kids with two dads who bum each other all day."

Kids are mean and its unfair to bring a child into a relationship that will cause him/her grief right from the get go.

Still dont care if they marry, just sayin.

Isn't it interesting that kids seem to just know that gay marriage is wrong?

All the liberal bleating about tolerance in the public schools just goes *poof* if you hand thirty kids a rubber ball and tell them to play 'dodgeball' and then shut up when they instead decide to play 'smear the queer'.

Left to their own devices children are not politically correct.

BS. Kids don't "know" anything of the sort. Thats just wishful thinking on the part of people wanting to find any reason to support their prejudices. Kids growing up in same sex families think its perfectly normal and those taught that all familes are OK learn that and believe it.

When they do learn shame its because other people look down their noses at them as if they are the product of a warped experiment just like they did decades ago when it was the children of mixed race families.

Its OK to be gay. Its OK to want to commit to a monogamous life with a partner of the same sex in a legally binding and protected marriage. Its also Ok for that marriage to produce/adopt children and raise those kids with all the love and devotion of any straight parent.

Certainly can't do any worse then the perfectly straight parents abusing their children to the point of death while still claiming them for welfare purposes.

Its not the same sex family that harms the child. Its the implied and stated shame installed in that childen by narrow minded people that harms them.

[acidcomplex]

DerbyX DerbyX:

They used to say that about mixed race kids also. No matter what kids will find something to be mean to other kids about. The reason is usually just an excuse.

lol agreed so we shouldnt give them any more reason to make fun of them lol

[acidcomplex]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

if you hand thirty kids a rubber ball and tell them to play 'dodgeball' and then shut up when they instead decide to play 'smear the queer'.

Smear the queer hahahahah classic

[DerbyX]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

DerbyX DerbyX:

They used to say that about mixed race kids also. No matter what kids will find something to be mean to other kids about. The reason is usually just an excuse.

lol agreed so we shouldnt give them any more reason to make fun of them lol

Seriously, I hope you are kidding. You can't be serious that we shouldn't allow children into same sex families so that kids won't be able to tease them.

Why stop there? Why not make sure all children wear identical clothes so they can'e tease anybody for not having the right close. Make them have identical haircuts with the same colour while we are at it.

Should we bleach everybody to achieve skin colour parity or use dyes?

C'mon. That argument just sounds ridiculous when you say it out loud don't you think?

[acidcomplex]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BS. Kids don't "know" anything of the sort. Thats just wishful thinking on the part of people wanting to find any reason to support their prejudices.

Why is it prejudices when someone has a different view then you, arent you yourself acting prejudice by automatically discounting them becuase they are different then you?. The very thing your saying is wrong?