[Thanos]

I haven't labelled all Muslims as terrorists but I have decided that Islam itself is a threat to our civilization because of the thoughts and actions it apparently inspires. And, for the record, I support immigration of pretty much everyone else except Muslims because those other ethnic and religious groups generally don't demand that our society be entirely re-written to their approval the way Muslims do. Unlike andy I like to think the bigger problem is in allowing a religion with an imperial mindset into our country, as opposed to the out of control attack of the heebie-jeebies he gets at the sight of a Filipino or Hindu TFW in a paper hat working at Timmies or McD's.

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[BeaverFever]

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I haven't labelled all Muslims as terrorists

But you do think that all Muslims "demand that our society be entirely re-written to their approval" and have "an imperial mindset", so not really much of a difference.

None of the Muslims I have known are any of those things.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

But you do think that all Muslims "demand that our society be entirely re-written to their approval" and have "an imperial mindset", so not really much of a difference.

None of the Muslims I have known are any of those things.

Yeah I'm sure this is all you argue about with them in the bars, and no one ever lies about it.



ALL ?

No.

Enough ?

Yes.

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None of the Muslims I have known

You are cherry picking your fallacy. Try expanding the number of people you talk to.
Let us know when you get back from Afghanistan.

[BeaverFever]

First of all, note that no western muslims were interviewed for this study, so what's your pinion of them?

Next, note that contrary to right-wing belief, there is no law book or set of rules called "sharia law", so the term has different meaning to different people.

As that very poll says:

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"Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments – such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable

Also notice that the majority Muslims in some places are very much against it. Some Muslim countries already have secular systems and in those places, people don't want 'sharia' based systems. In others, there is already a sharia-based system so people don't want change. I note that in the latter, many are mixed-religion countries where the other religion (Christianity or Druze) have their own religious system as well.

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In some countries where Muslims make up more than 90% of the population, relatively few want their government to codify Islamic law; this is the case in Tajikistan (27%), Turkey (12%) and Azerbaijan (8%)...in countries where secular courts oversee family matters, fewer than half of Muslims think that family and property disputes should be within the purview of religious judges.

And regarding imposing "sharia" on the rest of us:

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First, many, but by no means all, supporters of sharia believe the law of Islam should apply only to Muslims.

Lastly one critique of this poll, although it is respected, is that in most Muslim societies, even the less religious people are expected to act pious in public and mixed company and not express doubts or question religion openly in front of strangers. Therefore, respondents probably skew more religious than they actually are.

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This is who they are in their hearts. They've always been this way and always will be. They're the worst curse the human race has ever had. Worse than Nazis, worse than Communists, worst than anything that's ever been encountered before. They're not even on the same level as things that crawl out from underneath rocks.

This is who Germans are in their hearts. They've always been this way and always will be. They're the worst curse the human race has ever had.

I'd greatly appreciate it if the members of Generation Pussy wouldn't talk to me anymore or use any of my posts in their quotes. Thank you very much. Buh-bye.

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Delwin Delwin:

@Thanos

OK but when 99.9% of the followers dont act that way, how can you place the blame on the religion based on the small minority of those who do? If 5% of football fans had violent criminal records or 10% of heavy metal fans were found to cheat on their taxes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be blaming their ideology. Would you?

Flying a jet into an office building or decapitation someone in the middle of the street is kind of different than cheating on taxes or running an illegal gambling ring. As far as I know the originators of La Cosa Nostra or the Hell's Angels didn't think that they were being ordered to do it by god. Which is in stark contrast to Muslims who apparently genuinely believe that when they're shooting down a passenger plane or blowing up a school bus they're doing it with full holy approval. I called the Planned Parenthood shooter a terrorist, and not a mere criminal, precisely because he was motivated too by the identical kind of political and religious extremism.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Delwin Delwin:

@Thanos

OK but when 99.9% of the followers dont act that way, how can you place the blame on the religion based on the small minority of those who do? If 5% of football fans had violent criminal records or 10% of heavy metal fans were found to cheat on their taxes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be blaming their ideology. Would you?

Flying a jet into an office building or decapitation someone in the middle of the street is kind of different than cheating on taxes or running an illegal gambling ring. As far as I know the originators of La Cosa Nostra or the Hell's Angels didn't think that they were being ordered to do it by god. Which is in stark contrast to Muslims who apparently genuinely believe that when they're shooting down a passenger plane or blowing up a school bus they're doing it with full holy approval. I called the Planned Parenthood shooter a terrorist, and not a mere criminal, precisely because he was motivated too by the identical kind of political and religious extremism.

The problem is that you want to label all Muslims as terrorists, when that is not the case.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thanos Thanos:

Delwin Delwin:

@Thanos

OK but when 99.9% of the followers dont act that way, how can you place the blame on the religion based on the small minority of those who do? If 5% of football fans had violent criminal records or 10% of heavy metal fans were found to cheat on their taxes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be blaming their ideology. Would you?

Flying a jet into an office building or decapitation someone in the middle of the street is kind of different than cheating on taxes or running an illegal gambling ring. As far as I know the originators of La Cosa Nostra or the Hell's Angels didn't think that they were being ordered to do it by god. Which is in stark contrast to Muslims who apparently genuinely believe that when they're shooting down a passenger plane or blowing up a school bus they're doing it with full holy approval. I called the Planned Parenthood shooter a terrorist, and not a mere criminal, precisely because he was motivated too by the identical kind of political and religious extremism.

The problem is that you want to label all Muslims as terrorists, when that is not the case.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Workplace violence.

[Jin-Gitaxias]

Here is an argument I keep hearing: "I don't hate Muslims but I hate Islam because the Qur'an promotes murder."

The Irony: Lots of people who say this are Christian or Jewish.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who has read the Old Testament.

[fifeboy]

Jin-Gitaxias Jin-Gitaxias:

Here is an argument I keep hearing: "I don't hate Muslims but I hate Islam because the Qur'an promotes murder."

The Irony: Lots of people who say this are Christian or Jewish.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who has read the Old Testament.

Your not! Most Christians and Jews understand that most of Leviticus or however you spell it was just human law from the Bronze Age, just like mortal combat to settle disputes is the rejected beginning of our law from the Middle Ages. Hell, even Ken Ham in his foaming response to gay marriage doesn't expect to treat his sons as

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If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

. Although, having raised four sons, there were times....

[Freakinoldguy]

The problem isn't with the Religion it's with the practitioners who use it to promote hate and indoctrinate the gullible which, given the society their forced to grow up in is far to many Muslims.

Get rid of the Muslim religious leaders, the Madrasa's, the Mosques and the countries all over the world that spout this 13th century hate then, you'll get rid of radicalism.

Nobody starts out as a terrorist or supporter of terrorism. They have to be indoctrinated and given the current crop of PC warriors it's far to easy a thing for these perpetrators to accomplish.

Our biggest problem is that our political leadership and a giant portion of our society are quite willing to put "Political Correctness" ahead of public safety in the misguided belief that if you placate or apologize for these animals they'll leave your alone.

We've seen how well that theory works.

[ShepherdsDog]

A big part of the problem is, too many in the Islamic world see no separation between the religious and the political spheres. Too many in the States have the same problem.