[BRAH]

Premier Clark says security must come first when accepting Syrian refugees

http://www.theprovince.com/news/premier+clark+says+security+must+come+first+when+accepting+syrian+refugees/11521287/story.html
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Beauty and brains with a spine.

[herbie]

BRAH BRAH:

Premier Clark says security must come first when accepting Syrian refugees

http://www.theprovince.com/news/premier+clark+says+security+must+come+first+when+accepting+syrian+refugees/11521287/story.html
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Beauty and brains with a spine.

Wrong on all 3 points.

[BRAH]

[Winnipegger]

Facebook video.
Syria's war: A 5-minute history
https://www.facebook.com/ezraklein/videos/10153737513773410

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

You're just not capable of seeing or understanding that this relationship is something that transcends one president or one political party, are you?

Oh don't get all obsessed over the house of Saud here. That wasn't the actual point. And Bush's flaws don't make Obama flawless.

Then again you know what? In this case I will play the Obama versus Bush game even though they both hate my personal hero so I don't have time for either. But first understand it's not actually about the Saudis.

It about France, and if you were France and you wanted to deal with the guys who attacked you, which president would you want to have your back? The one with the bullhorn in the wreckage of 9/11 who told the crowd there "And the people who did this will be hearing from all of us real soon!." Then that's exactly what happened.

Or would you prefer the guy who thinks a terrorist attack is workplace violence, is worried the future might belong to those who "slander the prophet of Islam" let the Muslim Brotherhood into the Whitehouse, gave Iran the bomb and went to bed checked out the night Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were slaughtered by Islamists at Benghazi. Set five dangerous Taliban Jihadis free for the return of the deserter/traitor Bowe Bergdahl.

If you were France would you feel more comfortable going to battle with the guy who signed the deal to protect Poland with a missile defence system, or the guy who reneged on the deal and later advised the Russian Ambassador he would have more flexibility after the next election.

Now me, I say this...



is unlikely to happen under Obama. I would have liked the odds better under Bush.

I'd like them better still under this guy.



And no, he won't be holding hands with or bowing down to a Saudi. And if I was France and he said he had my back I would feel better.

BTW, I'm not saying this last one I'll show you is necessarily true, but for those who like to believe Wikileaks when they tell you stuff you want to hear, have you ever seen this one?

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Obviously it's very dangerous to take in Syrian refugees since they're so vulnerable to being made into killers.

False assumption, considering almost all of the Paris Attackers were French Citizens, not Syrian refugees. Only one Syrian passport was found, and the validity of it is being questioned along with whether it's owner was actually involved.

There are still hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees and millions of French citizens who are all well behaved.

[BRAH]

herbie herbie:

BRAH BRAH:

Premier Clark says security must come first when accepting Syrian refugees

http://www.theprovince.com/news/premier+clark+says+security+must+come+first+when+accepting+syrian+refugees/11521287/story.html
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Beauty and brains with a spine.

Wrong on all 3 points.

Yeah, god forbid a politician looks out for it's citizens first.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

herbie herbie:

BRAH BRAH:

Premier Clark says security must come first when accepting Syrian refugees

http://www.theprovince.com/news/premier+clark+says+security+must+come+first+when+accepting+syrian+refugees/11521287/story.html
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Beauty and brains with a spine.

Wrong on all 3 points.

Yeah, god forbid a politician looks out for it's citizens first.

She's not though. Security is always first in these things, she's not using her brain, she's being reactionary. She's also not using her spine, because she's letting ISIS dictate her policy instead of doing what she knows is right.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

Yeah, god forbid a politician looks out for it's citizens first.

She's not though. Security is always first in these things, she's not using her brain, she's being reactionary. She's also not using her spine, because she's letting ISIS dictate her policy instead of doing what she knows is right.

'I pretended to be dead for over an hour' - woman who survived the Paris attacks shares her terrifying story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11997172/paris-attacks-bataclan-woman-pretended-dead.html
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I beg to differ.

[andyt]

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

Yeah, god forbid a politician looks out for it's citizens first.

She's not though. Security is always first in these things, she's not using her brain, she's being reactionary. She's also not using her spine, because she's letting ISIS dictate her policy instead of doing what she knows is right.

'I pretended to be dead for over an hour' - woman who survived the Paris attacks shares her terrifying story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11997172/paris-attacks-bataclan-woman-pretended-dead.html
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I beg to differ.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

She's not though. Security is always first in these things, she's not using her brain, she's being reactionary. She's also not using her spine, because she's letting ISIS dictate her policy instead of doing what she knows is right.

'I pretended to be dead for over an hour' - woman who survived the Paris attacks shares her terrifying story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11997172/paris-attacks-bataclan-woman-pretended-dead.html
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I beg to differ.

Yea, me too.

No one is saying ISIS isn't brutal, but that woman was in Paris, not BC. Choosing to not take Syrian refugees isn't going to make any one in BC safer. On the contrary, by having a larger pool of disaffected people in the Middle East, ISIS my be able to recruit or kidnap more people toward it's cause. I've heard more than one expert on Jihadi recruitment say that.

[andyt]

No doubt, although us taking 25000 won't make much diff one way or the other. I actually agree with Crispie Crunch on this - we should slow the process down a bit and do it properly. Not just for security, but for being prepared for the refugees as well. They are in camps over there, have been a while. A few months won't make much difference to them, but will make a difference on this end to make sure they are settled properly.

I'm still having difficulty with the idea that we're helping those people but not our own. Clark said we're rich and should share that wealth. She certainly doesn't believe that as far as our homegrown homeless and poor are concerned. With Clark you know that everything she says is just grandstanding.

[BartSimpson]

Obama is facing a bit of an insurgency at home this week. 27 governors (including some Democrats) are refusing to accept Syrian refugees into their states and Obama and the Democrat leadership is promising to shove those refugees down our throats whether we like it or not.

If these so-called refugees are forced on us and then people die because of it then 2016 will be a Republican sweep.

And the odds of ISIS carrying out an attack in the US before next years' election are almost a given.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

No doubt, although us taking 25000 won't make much diff one way or the other. I actually agree with Crispie Crunch on this - we should slow the process down a bit and do it properly. Not just for security, but for being prepared for the refugees as well. They are in camps over there, have been a while. A few months won't make much difference to them, but will make a difference on this end to make sure they are settled properly.

A few months may be all some have. Winter is coming. And it may be that many are still in the Mediterranean, many are in and around the Caucasus. Winters can be brutal living in a tent.

I don't know what people think is the process here, but step #1 when someone registers as a 'Refugee' with the UNHCR, is a security check. Not all security is guaranteed, but that is where they start.

Of the 25,000 refugees we elected to take, the UN has already done the security and background checks on 10,000 of them and found they have a genuine claim to be 'refugees'. I don't see where slowing this process down will make any difference to their situation or to ours.

andyt andyt:

I'm still having difficulty with the idea that we're helping those people but not our own. Clark said we're rich and should share that wealth. She certainly doesn't believe that as far as our homegrown homeless and poor are concerned. With Clark you know that everything she says is just grandstanding.

Yes, she's playing to the partisans. Let's not kid ourselves either, that while we have people in need, it's not a one-or-the other choice. We can still help our own, and help refugees, if the will is there.

I still recall politicians promising an end to child poverty before the new millennium started.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

The Saudi Wahhabis are the real foe

We must take our fight to the preachers and financiers of terror.
By

Nassim Nicholas Taleb

11/16/15, 6:01 PM CET

Updated 11/17/15, 12:18 PM CET

Since 2001 our policy for fighting Islamic terrorists has been, to put it politely, missing the elephant in the room, sort of like treating symptoms and completely missing the disease.

Policymakers and slow-thinking bureaucrats stupidly let terrorism grow by ignoring the roots. So we lost a generation: Someone who went to grammar school in Saudi Arabia (our “ally”) after September 11 is now an adult, indoctrinated into believing and supporting Salafi violence, hence encouraged to finance it — while we got distracted by the use of complicated weapons and machinery.

Even worse, the Wahhabis have accelerated their brainwashing of East and West Asians with their madrassas, thanks to high oil revenues.

So instead of invading Iraq, blowing up Jihadi John and individual terrorists, thus causing a multiplication of these agents, it would have been be easier to focus on the source of all problems: the Wahhabi/Salafi education and the promotion of intolerance by which a Shiite or a Yazidi or a Christian are deviant people.

If we absolutely need to put people in Guantanamo, it would be far more effective to ship the Salafi preachers and Wahhabi clerics over there, not just the people swayed by their teaching. And if we need to correct the profound Saudi problem, we need to start by sending to them our preachers, educating them into tolerance, explaining the very concept of the separation of church and state. Or, better even, encourage Muslim preachers who promote religious tolerance (“laka dinak wa li dini“) — instead of seeing them ostracized.

And if you find violence unavoidable, it should be directed at the Saudi and Qatari funders of violence, as well as the Salafi theorists, rather than the young performers.

P.S. Beware the usual ISIL crypto-sympathizer who sort of “explains” (that is, justifies) what happened (the intentional targeting of civilians) with some other Western event that can hark all the way to the Crusades… Otherwise it is presented as “biased.” You can spot such people from a mile away. For them, you cannot condemn ISIL without at the same time trying to be “balanced.” Who are they fooling? This is the technique of bundling together problems that should be treated independently, and you need to learn to deal with such people by forcing them to discuss the problem of ISIL on its own.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb is the author, among other books, of “The Black Swan,” and a founder of the Real World Risk Institute.

http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saud ... -violence/