[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And yet, if Israelis were to randomly fire unguided missiles that indiscriminately target women and children in Gaza, they'd be vilified for it.

Hmm.

[DrCaleb]

You know monty, when you spouted the BS about the 'non-kosher milk', we saw you for the racist you are.

[desertdude]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And yet, if Israelis were to randomly fire unguided missiles that indiscriminately target women and children in Gaza, they'd be vilified for it.

Well lets thank the powers that be that they are firing guided bombs which have caused over 150 casualties and around 1500 wounded out of which 70% are civilians, women and children included.

Also if it was any other country other than Israel doing it, they would have strict sanctions imposed on it by now.

Also let me take this opportunity to strictly once again condemn Hamas for their attacks on Israeli civilians, even one person injured is one too many form any side let alone killed.

And there lies the difference the pro Israeli fan bois and anti muslim bigots will never do is say even a word to indicate even a iota of regret at the loss innocent civilian life from Palestine, rather make lame excuses and justifications for killings. Far from it they condone and cheer it.

[DrCaleb]

desertdude desertdude:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And yet, if Israelis were to randomly fire unguided missiles that indiscriminately target women and children in Gaza, they'd be vilified for it.

Well lets thank the powers that be that they are firing guided bombs which have caused over 150 casualties and around 1500 wounded out of which 70% are civilians, women and children included.

Or we could thank the Palestinians for using those people as human shields knowing that it would not stop the bombing.

desertdude desertdude:

Also if it was any other country other than Israel doing it, they would have strict sanctions imposed on it by now.

And if it were any place other than Gaza, the murders of 3 children that started this whole mess would have not been forgotten. Hamas is out of money, now that the Muslim Brotherhood no longer control Egypt's purse strings. Let's hope they run out of rockets soon, so this whole mess can end.

desertdude desertdude:

Also let me take this opportunity to strictly once again condemn Hamas for their attacks on Israeli civilians, even one person injured is one too many form any side let alone killed.

desertdude desertdude:

And there lies the difference the pro Israeli fan bois and anti muslim bigots will never do is say even a word to indicate even a iota of regret at the loss innocent civilian life from Palestine, rather make lame excuses and justifications for killings. Far from it they condone and cheer it.

Wait . .what? We assume that you don't agree with lives being lost, even if you don't say it (because you never do) - but we are 'cheering' for Israel bloodletting with our silence? Because even if I don't post in thread like this, I do read them. And I don't recall anyone cheering on the loss of life on either side.

Hamas knows how to stop the bombing. Stop firing rockets and it will end, like it always has.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Well lets thank the powers that be that they are firing guided bombs which have caused over 150 casualties and around 1500 wounded out of which 70% are civilians, women and children included.

Sadly, those civilians freely elected Hamas as their leadership much the same as German civilians freely elected the Nazis. There are consequences for what we do with our votes.

desertdude desertdude:

Also if it was any other country other than Israel doing it, they would have strict sanctions imposed on it by now.

Last I checked, Israel is heavily sanctioned by its' neighbors and has been since 1949.

desertdude desertdude:

Also let me take this opportunity to strictly once again condemn Hamas for their attacks on Israeli civilians, even one person injured is one too many form any side let alone killed.

Amen to that.

desertdude desertdude:

And there lies the difference the pro Israeli fan bois and anti muslim bigots will never do is say even a word to indicate even a iota of regret at the loss innocent civilian life from Palestine, rather make lame excuses and justifications for killings. Far from it they condone and cheer it.

All Hamas needs to do is stop shooting missiles into Israel and this whole thing ends. That I condone and celebrate the deaths of people who've invited their own problems has little to do with Israel or Palestine, really.

I'm also keen on the deaths of ISIS mercenaries no matter who they're fighting. It doesn't mean I endorse Assad or the Iraq government when I feel a little joy at the fate of ISIS jerks when they die. It just means I feel a bit giddy whenever an a-hole gets justice.

Now, true, in the circumstance I'm cheering for Israel and you may see me with the crowd. But when it's questions about the Holocaust I'm probably not too popular with the people who believe in BS not even the Yad Veshem beieves in.

[desertdude]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Or we could thank the Palestinians for using those people as human shields knowing that it would not stop the bombing.

I don't believe these same things keep coming up again and again ad nauseam and every time they have to be re explained. Another one of those talking points that really has no merit to it. You have seen by the figures posted how densely packed gaza is, sometimes families living in a building will amass on a rooftop in hope that their home will not be destroyed. And sometimes this happen, 17 members of one family gets killed because one of them was an alleged target.

watch the video
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28285289

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And if it were any place other than Gaza, the murders of 3 children that started this whole mess would have not been forgotten. Hamas is out of money, now that the Muslim Brotherhood no longer control Egypt's purse strings. Let's hope they run out of rockets soon, so this whole mess can end.

Well before that this happened



Where was the outrage then, on average 1 palestinian gets killed every 4 days including women and children and this is in so called peacetime. Not even going to talk about the stealing of land and moving in settlers and all, because if that happened anywhere else............

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Wait . .what? We assume that you don't agree with lives being lost, even if you don't say it (because you never do) - but we are 'cheering' for Israel bloodletting with our silence? Because even if I don't post in thread like this, I do read them. And I don't recall anyone cheering on the loss of life on either side.

Wasn't aimed at you, it is most unfortunate that you would consider your self a bigot, I certainly don't, if it feels like I might be implying that then I duly apologize. And when have I not spoken out against the loss of life. I have even for the recent murder of the three Israeli teen who were killed.

Incase you later ask for where.

desertdude desertdude:

Look at the end of the day whatever happened to those Israeli teens is inexcusable regardless who did it and for whatever reason and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

current-events-f59/protests-over-killing-of-arab-teen-spread-as-reports-emerge-t109329-30.html?hilit=teens

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hamas knows how to stop the bombing. Stop firing rockets and it will end, like it always has.

Partially agree, the current operation might stop but the military occupation, the ever growing settlements, the midnight raids and arrests, the siege, the killing of 1 per every 4 days, so on and so forth, doubt that will

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

Well lets thank the powers that be that they are firing guided bombs which have caused over 150 casualties and around 1500 wounded out of which 70% are civilians, women and children included.

Sadly, those civilians freely elected Hamas as their leadership much the same as German civilians freely elected the Nazis. There are consequences for what we do with our votes.

So collective punishment is fine by you, got it.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

Also if it was any other country other than Israel doing it, they would have strict sanctions imposed on it by now.

Last I checked, Israel is heavily sanctioned by its' neighbors and has been since 1949.

Boycotted, there is a difference but it doesn't make a difference when billions pour in from the west in its support.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

desertdude desertdude:

And there lies the difference the pro Israeli fan bois and anti muslim bigots will never do is say even a word to indicate even a iota of regret at the loss innocent civilian life from Palestine, rather make lame excuses and justifications for killings. Far from it they condone and cheer it.

All Hamas needs to do is stop shooting missiles into Israel and this whole thing ends. That I condone and celebrate the deaths of people who've invited their own problems has little to do with Israel or Palestine, really.

Once again collective punishment, its fine by you, so proves my point about celebrating the death of innocent civilians.

[Goober911]

desertdude desertdude:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Or we could thank the Palestinians for using those people as human shields knowing that it would not stop the bombing.

I don't believe these same things keep coming up again and again ad nauseam and every time they have to be re explained. Another one of those talking points that really has no merit to it. You have seen by the figures posted how densely packed gaza is, sometimes families living in a building will amass on a rooftop in hope that their home will not be destroyed. And sometimes this happen, 17 members of one family gets killed because one of them was an alleged target.

watch the video
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28285289

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And if it were any place other than Gaza, the murders of 3 children that started this whole mess would have not been forgotten. Hamas is out of money, now that the Muslim Brotherhood no longer control Egypt's purse strings. Let's hope they run out of rockets soon, so this whole mess can end.

Well before that this happened



Where was the outrage then, on average 1 palestinian gets killed every 4 days including women and children and this is in so called peacetime. Not even going to talk about the stealing of land and moving in settlers and all, because if that happened anywhere else............

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Wait . .what? We assume that you don't agree with lives being lost, even if you don't say it (because you never do) - but we are 'cheering' for Israel bloodletting with our silence? Because even if I don't post in thread like this, I do read them. And I don't recall anyone cheering on the loss of life on either side.

Wasn't aimed at you, it is most unfortunate that you would consider your self a bigot, I certainly don't, if it feels like I might be implying that then I duly apologize. And when have I not spoken out against the loss of life. I have even for the recent murder of the three Israeli teen who were killed.

Incase you later ask for where.

desertdude desertdude:

Look at the end of the day whatever happened to those Israeli teens is inexcusable regardless who did it and for whatever reason and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

current-events-f59/protests-over-killing-of-arab-teen-spread-as-reports-emerge-t109329-30.html?hilit=teens

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hamas knows how to stop the bombing. Stop firing rockets and it will end, like it always has.

Partially agree, the current operation might stop but the military occupation, the ever growing settlements, the midnight raids and arrests, the siege, the killing of 1 per every 4 days, so on and so forth, doubt that will

The points you make are valid and I agree.

But from what I gather wit the failed ceasefire, Hamas wants to have the Egyptian border crossing open, so that and I can only guess, say they achieved something in this.
Your opinion?

[desertdude]

Well from,what I know Hamas's reason Is That they were not consulted on the terms of the ceasefire, and ofcourse there will be some attempt at face saving that yes they got something out of this whole bloody ordeal.

[Goober911]

desertdude desertdude:

Well from,what I know Hamas's reason Is That they were not consulted on the terms of the ceasefire, and ofcourse there will be some attempt at face saving that yes they got something out of this whole bloody ordeal.

And this would be a perfect time for Yahoo to offer something acceptable their way.
One way or the other Hamas is the dominant power in Gaza. They gotta learn to deal with them.

[BRAH]

Fuck Hamas, as the Egyptian News Anchors pointed out they don't care about the Palestinians because they're hypocrites and cowards.

[desertdude]

Goober911 Goober911:

desertdude desertdude:

Well from,what I know Hamas's reason Is That they were not consulted on the terms of the ceasefire, and ofcourse there will be some attempt at face saving that yes they got something out of this whole bloody ordeal.

And this would be a perfect time for Yahoo to offer something acceptable their way.
One way or the other Hamas is the dominant power in Gaza. They gotta learn to deal with them.

Exactly, infact this has been a big source of the current agitation of the past years. Israel along with others instantly refused to accept them as the fairly elected govt and went all apeshit with imposing sanctions and the siege. Which just escalated the situation to the mess it is today.

At the end of the day the solution has to be diplomatic, very rarely in todays world are conflicts resolved with military action, eventually Britain had to talk with the NRA. After 10 years of war the US was ready to talk with the Taliban, so on and so forth.

[Goober911]

BRAH BRAH:

Fuck Hamas, as the Egyptian News Anchors pointed out they don't care about the Palestinians because they're hypocrites and cowards.

And there you are wrong.
Israel has to be coerced and or forced to the peace table.
This problem, if you wish to minimize it, will not go away.
Eventually more Govts will turn against Israel.
As the killing go on, as Israel takes more land, as the killing goes on.
And it can be laid mainly at the feet of Israel.
They divided and conquered.
Abbas is their last chance and they deliberately undermined him.

[desertdude]

BRAH BRAH:

Fuck Hamas, as the Egyptian News Anchors pointed out they don't care about the Palestinians because they're hypocrites and cowards.

That might be the case or so some believe but Israels commitment to peace is also shady to say the least, just scroll back the pages of this thread and you see Yahoo himself admitting how he has sabotaged previous peace talks.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

So collective punishment is fine by you, got it.

No, it is not collective punishment, it is collective responsibility.

The German people didn't mind much when Hitler's armies had seized much of the land and industrial wealth of Europe and in 1940-1941 the German people were quite pleased with their leader, their country, and themselves.

They also didn't mind much when German aircraft bombed Rotterdam after a ceasefire had been agreed to and they didn't mind when German aircraft bombed Coventry, a town with no military targets at all.

Those people then bore the collective responsibility of their decision to empower the Nazi Party as their leadership.

Ditto in Gaza.

Mind you, I'd feel different if we were talking about people in a country that was ruled by a dictatorship. Then I'd agree with you that the accountability should be limited to the dictator to the best degree possible.

But the people in Gaza freely elected Hamas in an election where UN monitors declared the results fair.

They made their choices and these are the fruits of their choices.