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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:08 am
 


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So you believe in what yot just know. And that's all. you was never trying it from 10-th, you only "know". So here it is:-).


I do know i won't float. And, it can be demonstrated independently from me. Your faith? Try it. Reject gravity and see how far it takes you.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:38 pm
 


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So you believe in what yot just know. And that's all. you was never trying it from 10-th, you only "know". So here it is:-).


I do know i won't float. And, it can be demonstrated independently from me. Your faith? Try it. Reject gravity and see how far it takes you.

But you haven't tried on yourself, ''maybe it won't'' work.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:12 am
 


PostFactum PostFactum:
But you haven't tried on yourself, ''maybe it won't'' work.


Here we see a poor soul who ran smack into an argument about science he couldn't refute, replete with an invitation to leap out a window if gravity required faith. Now, the poor soul has collapsed to a very simple: I know you are but what am I?

Sad.

But, that window's always open if you still want to take your leap of faith PostFactum. I've got a spatula with "I told you so!" engraved on it just waiting for you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:18 am
 


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Mustang1 Mustang1:
PostFactum PostFactum:
So you believe in what yot just know. And that's all. you was never trying it from 10-th, you only "know". So here it is:-).


I do know i won't float. And, it can be demonstrated independently from me. Your faith? Try it. Reject gravity and see how far it takes you.

But you haven't tried on yourself, ''maybe it won't'' work.


You think "maybe it won't work"?!? Take a break...you're done. And your faith? Done too, as evidently when pressed to demonstrate it, all you can do is dodge.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:53 am
 


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Yes, Christianity requires those various constructs to exist as a church. But what created organized religion is still a part of us, and it still strives us to hunt down the meaning for one's existence, or for the answers to questions like the afterlife. That's why people convert, or gain their faith after long periods of not caring.


Man created church and to date there is no evidence to support any other conclusion, and as is the nature of mankind it seeks control over his environment. The "church" (doesn't matter which one ) seeks to exert control over not just his environment, but other people

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You're arguing that Science exists independently. You're right. Without humans, Science will still continue through biology, or plate tectonics, or the various other motions of the planet and the universe. Of course, if God(s) exists, you can say the same thing about God as well. God(s) will exist long after humanity doesn't because God, or Gods created humanity, the planet, etc etc etc in the first place. If you don't want to factor in the human element, then what's the point? Hawking, Einstein, Newton, etc various discoveries are really just giving us understanding of what already exists. If we lose their understanding through some disaster, gravity will still work.


You're confusing 'science' with geography and biology and evolution. Those things would continue but science is the process of determining the actual nature of our lives by the use of critical thinking, experiment and evidence. You equate 'science' in this case with a deity. The issue at hand is that science has a process of creating a theory and then proving that theory. Religion has a theory but has no way of determining whether the tales it tells have any actual truth in relation to dterminable evidence

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The study of science really isn't that different from the desire of religion either. Both strive to find answers to the many questions that exist within, and around us. Yes, science is the study of things that exist as independently verifiable facts...2+2=4, to every human or alien in existence. The planet revolves around the sun to all humans. We strive to discover answers. Science provides the answers to things that are already known to be true, even if we don't know if they're true yet. Religion, both the organized, and the spiritual sense, provides answers that we can't prove true or false.



I've said it before and it bears saying again.

Religion would love to be treated on the same plain as science, it would give credibility to 'religion' that it very much wants. The fact is that know matter how long you debate how many angels can dance on the tip of a needle , you still need to prove scientifically that angels do in fact exist
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What I'm contending is that our "Religion", or the desire to answer the subjective questions that we all ask ourselves and one another (What is the meaning of life, or one's existence, or our purpose, or what happens after death). The "Human Religion" or human spirituality will stay as constant as science until all humans cease to exist. And then, one must ask, what happens to our humanity after we die? Do all of our achievements rot away, erode, disintegrate, or vanish? Does our essence or our "soul" live on in some other dimension or other living being?


what religious believers do with their own time is their own business. The problems arise is when 'believers' start' thinking that because people must have a soul (without any proof of such) that they start trying to force other people to act as the 'believers' think they should

The Homophobic and discriminatory ideas that are rampant within the the US and to large extent the Conservative party in Canada compel these people of the United Sates to deny equal rights to gays to gt married to one another and attempt remove freedom of choice from women. The former because they think god told them gays were bad and the latter because they think a fetus has a 'soul'



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And church attendance is less than it was 50 years ago....so? 50 years from now there will be a religious resurgence. Or maybe Christianity will cease to exist. A huge percentage of people still consider themselves religious or spiritual, and attending Sunday Mass does not make one more or less religious in its own right.


I dont care on way or the other, as long as people keep their religion out of public policy they can worship trees for all i care. But when they start to poke thier religious noses into public issues, and make policy based upon an unprovable deity, then that's where they have to be stopped


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Mustang1 Mustang1:
angler57 angler57:
Voltaire said; To paraphrase.
I may disagree with what you say. But, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

These words are printed on the Op-Ed pages of many newspapers. Good words to live by.


You're not writing an Op-Ed, but thanks for playing. Oh...and to quote-mine (the fact that Voltaire's authorship of this oft-quoted line is in major question - funny, that you messed up again) one of the Enlightenment's biggest critics of religion (he was a big proponent of reason) in this thread is priceless.


mustang1 the fact is that you really can't stand an antagonist.
And, I are one.
So, no matter what I say you will find fault.
So be it my friend. Just remember this is only a word game to me. As have said before, people are easy to play. And, you are one.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:44 am
 


angler57 angler57:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
angler57 angler57:
Voltaire said; To paraphrase.
I may disagree with what you say. But, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

These words are printed on the Op-Ed pages of many newspapers. Good words to live by.


You're not writing an Op-Ed, but thanks for playing. Oh...and to quote-mine (the fact that Voltaire's authorship of this oft-quoted line is in major question - funny, that you messed up again) one of the Enlightenment's biggest critics of religion (he was a big proponent of reason) in this thread is priceless.


mustang1 the fact is that you really can't stand an antagonist.
And, I are one.
So, no matter what I say you will find fault.
So be it my friend. Just remember this is only a word game to me. As have said before, people are easy to play. And, you are one.


Gee, you tried that with me too. :roll: Post a bunch of argumentative garbage then at the end of it claim that you are just "playing" with the other person and they are easy to get.

You really need to grow up a little sunshine.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:48 am
 


Pot. Kettle. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:51 am
 


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Pot. Kettle. :lol:


Looking in the mirror are you? :wink:


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Never look in the mirror when you are looking for someone to blame, it just makes more work for yourself. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:55 am
 


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gee, are you trying to get the last word in?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:03 am
 


I thought we were playing the quotation game?


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no thanks, I'm not a fan of quotation, I like my coffee black.


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