[RUEZ]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Maybe you two would like to tell me what happened when one jurisdiction had no prohibition and it's neighbour did? You think Canada legalizing pot will reduce organized crime?

Someone has to be the first to do it here.

We can't be immature and continue wasting money just because our neighbour has not yet progressed.

Eventually they'd follow our path. Someone needs to be an example here.

Well until that day happens the argument that legalizing pot would lower organized crime involvement seems premature and speculative.

[Public_Domain]

[RUEZ]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

It would lower it in Canada a degree, in local markets,
but it would significantly lower in Both Canada and the USA once they progressed.

Got to start somewhere, we can't always get the whole cake in one bite.

I doubt it would lower it at all considering the size of the U.S. market, and the fact that they bring harder drugs back to Canada. The thing is people are saying that legalizing pot would be the answer to Canada's organized crime problem and it's quite clear that it wouldn't be.

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[Wally_Sconce]

IMO, the cost of a quality management system suitable for a privatized, legal drug producer will be the equivalent to the 'danger pay' that the drug pushers are charging.

It's not cheap to get into the pharma/medical industry.

[Robair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I doubt it would lower it at all considering the size of the U.S. market, and the fact that they bring harder drugs back to Canada. The thing is people are saying that legalizing pot would be the answer to Canada's organized crime problem and it's quite clear that it wouldn't be.

People have not been saying it's the answer to Canada's organized crime. What you did there is misrepresent what people have actually said in order to make it easy to argue against. Straw man, it's called.

Organized crime in Canada would take a pretty big hit, losing all the weed customers in Canada would hurt the bank account for sure.

And as far as bringing harder drugs back to Canada, there's another argument here for legalization. It has been argued by folks that marijuana is a gateway drug. This is false, there is nothing in the drug that makes you crave crack for example. However, since you currently have to go to a criminal on a street corner for marijuana, your chances of being exposed to the harder stuff increases. You are doing business with a dealer, he's going to try and get you to try his other products.

Once you are buying it at the bar, liquor stores and such, the exposer to hard drugs would go down. Legalizing marijuana might actually decrease the use of harder stuff in Canada.

As far as the U.S. is concerned? Canada only imports about five percent of total American weed imports. It's not a huge problem and who gives a shit anyway? When did THEY start consulting US before deciding THEIR domestic policies?

Organized crime in Canada would take a big hit, and if attempts to smuggle the stuff increase it will give the minute men in North Dakota something to do.

[RUEZ]

Robair Robair:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I doubt it would lower it at all considering the size of the U.S. market, and the fact that they bring harder drugs back to Canada. The thing is people are saying that legalizing pot would be the answer to Canada's organized crime problem and it's quite clear that it wouldn't be.

People have not been saying it's the answer to Canada's organized crime. What you did there is misrepresent what people have actually said in order to make it easy to argue against. Straw man, it's called.

Organized crime in Canada would take a pretty big hit, losing all the weed customers in Canada would hurt the bank account for sure.

And as far as bringing harder drugs back to Canada, there's another argument here for legalization. It has been argued by folks that marijuana is a gateway drug. This is false, there is nothing in the drug that makes you crave crack for example. However, since you currently have to go to a criminal on a street corner for marijuana, your chances of being exposed to the harder stuff increases. You are doing business with a dealer, he's going to try and get you to try his other products.

Once you are buying it at the bar, liquor stores and such, the exposer to hard drugs would go down. Legalizing marijuana might actually decrease the use of harder stuff in Canada.

As far as the U.S. is concerned? Canada only imports about five percent of total American weed imports. It's not a huge problem and who gives a shit anyway? When did THEY start consulting US before deciding THEIR domestic policies?

Organized crime in Canada would take a big hit, and if attempts to smuggle the stuff increase it will give the minute men in North Dakota something to do.

How come you never back up your facts with anything? You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation. Organized crime would still thrive because they could grow pot here and export it, and import harder drugs. Straw man indeed.

[Robair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

How come you never back up your facts with anything?

What is it that you want 'backed up'?

RUEZ RUEZ:

Organized crime would still thrive because they could grow pot here and export it, and import harder drugs.

You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation.

[RUEZ]

Robair Robair:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Organized crime would still thrive because they could grow pot here and export it, and import harder drugs.

You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation.

Exactly.

[Robair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Robair Robair:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Organized crime would still thrive because they could grow pot here and export it, and import harder drugs.

You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation.

Exactly.

The result of a domestic drug policy is speculation. Thank you captain obvious.

[Robair]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

IMO, the cost of a quality management system suitable for a privatized, legal drug producer will be the equivalent to the 'danger pay' that the drug pushers are charging.

It's not cheap to get into the pharma/medical industry.

Good point, but why would it be any more than tobbacco? Buying weed is a hell of a lot more expensive than cancer sticks right now...

[RUEZ]

Robair Robair:

The result of a domestic drug policy is speculation. Thank you captain obvious.

WTF?

[Robair]

You keep posting "You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation" as if it's an argument for prohibition. It's not. It's just, I don't know, something to file in the "no shit" folder.

A lot of what the government does is "based on speculation". The bailout for example.

Why don't you try to explain why marijuana should be illegal? Maybe because you've got nothing?

[romanP]

Robair Robair:

And as far as bringing harder drugs back to Canada, there's another argument here for legalization. It has been argued by folks that marijuana is a gateway drug. This is false, there is nothing in the drug that makes you crave crack for example. However, since you currently have to go to a criminal on a street corner for marijuana, your chances of being exposed to the harder stuff increases. You are doing business with a dealer, he's going to try and get you to try his other products.

I guess it depends on who you go to, and where you live, really. The only time I've had people try to sell me stuff that I wasn't after was when I was buying E and acid. Never once when I've bought weed.

[Wally_Sconce]

Robair Robair:

RUEZ RUEZ:

How come you never back up your facts with anything?

What is it that you want 'backed up'?

RUEZ RUEZ:

Organized crime would still thrive because they could grow pot here and export it, and import harder drugs.

You can talk all you want about what would happen but it's speculation.

I think the very existance of a crime trade that exports pot and returns with harder drug backs up the idea that Canada has an overall favorable envirement for these criminals.

I think the speculation doesn't occur until we start to suggest that they will change their ways. I see no facts that support the idea that they will change.