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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:29 am
 


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They've put themselves to very bad conditions, they have no money and none will help them. So they felt on knees in front of Red Dragon and ask for help. They ask for pre-pay for 4 years, it means that they need money right now, and they are doing very bad. They sell to Dragon cheap oil and gas, no choice and China knows it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:15 pm
 


Chinese also lent Gazprom 30 Billion last year. I am sure they recieved excellent returns on that money


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 11:47 am
 


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Mandelson tells Putin's cronies: Russia will suffer for Crimean invasion

Lord Mandelson warns Kremlin loyalists the invasion of Crimea will become a 'self-inflicted economic wound' for Russia

Lord Mandelson has told members of President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle that the invasion of Crimea was an illegal annexation that would become a “self-inflicted economic wound” for Russia by cutting the country off from foreign investment.

The former Labour business secretary was speaking at the St Petersburg Economic Forum, a gathering designed to mirror the Davos convention and dubbed a “vanity summit” for Putin as he attempts to mask Russia economic malaise.

He was appearing alongside Kremlin loyalists including Sergei Glazyev, Putin’s chief adviser on Ukraine and Vladimir Yakunin, the president of Russian Railways and a potential successor to his friend, the president . Both men are subject to Western travel bans and asset freezes.

Alexei Uljukaev, the economic development minister, Anton Siluanov, the finance minister, and Anatoly Chubais, the architect of the mass privatisations in the 1990s that created Russia’s oligarch class were also on the panel.

The invasion will become a “Pyrrhic victory” for Moscow and the country cannot turn its back on markets and finance from the rest of the world, Lord Mandelson said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... asion.html


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 1:23 pm
 


Ukraine crisis: Rebel attack kills at least 13, injures more than 30
Is this the same incident? There are some similarities to the one PostFactum posted, but so many differences that it sounds like a different incincident.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 1:59 pm
 


http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/22 ... heckpoint/


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 2:17 pm
 


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Ukraine crisis: Rebel attack kills at least 13, injures more than 30
Is this the same incident? There are some similarities to the one PostFactum posted, but so many differences that it sounds like a different incincident.


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In the attack on the checkpoint, residents said the rebels arrived in an armoured bank truck, which the unsuspecting Ukrainian soldiers waved through.


Pretty shoddy, boys. It is sad that they paid such a high price for that.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:07 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Winnipegger Winnipegger:
Ukraine crisis: Rebel attack kills at least 13, injures more than 30
Is this the same incident? There are some similarities to the one PostFactum posted, but so many differences that it sounds like a different incincident.


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In the attack on the checkpoint, residents said the rebels arrived in an armoured bank truck, which the unsuspecting Ukrainian soldiers waved through.


Pretty shoddy, boys. It is sad that they paid such a high price for that.

Untrained men. Doing pretty good and they have to learn the hard way. Little to no combat experience.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:40 pm
 


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Untrained men. Doing pretty good and they have to learn the hard way. Little to no combat experience.


They'll learn. Now watch as the Ukrainian forces flip from being :) to a posture that looks more like:

PDT_Armataz_01_40

And then watch as the Russians set them up to slaughter a bus load of nuns or school children.

This crap is kind of predictable.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:02 pm
 


Vlad, call me Junior.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... o-beijing/

The hands-down winner of Russia’s ugly struggle over Ukraine’s future is China.

There was a lot of crowing in Moscow on Wednesday over the $400-billion gas deal that Vladimir Putin signed in Beijing. It was, or so Russian thinking goes, a magnificent rebuke to the West over its rather timid sanctions against a few of Putin’s billionaire cronies for seizing Crimea, threatening eastern Ukraine and terrifying hundreds of millions of people in Central Europe who want nothing to do with their former master’s irredentism.

As this was a deal between Russia and China, it is no surprise there was scant information from either side about the price for gas set in the 11th-hour talks. Nevertheless, it is widely believed that the terms greatly favour China because Putin was so desperate after his Ukrainian adventure to suddenly get a deal done that he left tens of billions of dollars on the table rather than admit he had come up with nothing in his face-to-face meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Western countries have had their own problems doing business with China. Like Russia, they have often been so eager to get a slice of the Chinese pie, they settle for less money than they should from Beijing’s notoriously hard-nosed negotiators. But not tens of billions of dollars at one sitting.

Moreover, the West is much stronger economically than Russia, which is a one trick energy pony further hobbled by corruption on a colossal scale. China could devour Russia economically long before it may be able to do that to the West.

Another problem for Russia is that it shares a long border with China. People in cities such as Vladivostok and Blagoveshchensk are already deeply concerned about how dependent they have become on China and are increasingly anxious over the large numbers of Chinese who now live, work and own businesses in their midst.

If Russia ever tries to wield gas prices and supply as a weapon against China, as it routinely does with Ukraine and almost every other country in Europe, China has plenty of new sources of gas to choose from such as Kazakhstan, Australia, Timor and, yes, Canada.

With fantastically deep pockets and a society that is unlikely to be as appeasing as western Europeans have been about Russia’s bullying of Ukraine, China is far less likely to tolerate Russia’s tantrums.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:36 pm
 


IT doesn't take combat experience to know to be on alert when manning a checkpoint. A similar incident happened in the beginning of the insurgency. When I suggested that soldiers might actually try shooting back when attacked, I got 37 flavors of excuses why they wouldn't from PF. Looks like these guys haven't learned a thing. I might not know where to deploy for best advantage to lay down overlapping arcs of fire, but I'd sure as fuck have my gun at the ready and be on alert - just from simple fear. I mean at least 30 soldiers were shot. What, were they all clumped together having a beer or what? An armored bank car isn't set up to lay down a lot of fire, it has a few ports, that's it. So the insurgents must have left the vehicle to do this much damage. WFT were these Ukrainian soldiers up to at this point? They must hire some real idiots for this army.


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IT doesn't take combat experience to know to be on alert when manning a checkpoint. .

This one sentence demonstrates you know SFA.
Where did you get your insight - CNN??


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REally? They trained you to catch a snooze instead? Don't be such a dumbass.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:17 pm
 


Goober911 Goober911:
andyt andyt:
IT doesn't take combat experience to know to be on alert when manning a checkpoint. .

This one sentence demonstrates you know SFA.
Where did you get your insight - CNN??


Actually, it demonstrates a basic understanding of the point of a checkpoint. Be alert.

You said you were ex military. Have you been out that long to forget something as simple as this?


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:22 pm
 


Goober911 Goober911:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Winnipegger Winnipegger:
Ukraine crisis: Rebel attack kills at least 13, injures more than 30
Is this the same incident? There are some similarities to the one PostFactum posted, but so many differences that it sounds like a different incincident.


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In the attack on the checkpoint, residents said the rebels arrived in an armoured bank truck, which the unsuspecting Ukrainian soldiers waved through.


Pretty shoddy, boys. It is sad that they paid such a high price for that.

Untrained men. Doing pretty good and they have to learn the hard way. Little to no combat experience.


They're not in combat, nor are they In a combat zone. It's not like the DMZ there....yet.
That will soon change.

Until then, you may want to cut them some slack. They are dealing with fellow Ukrainians here.


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