[Pseudonym]

But that's so weird. If I take out religion, then I am no longer voting as I believe. I don't want to make myself into a hypocrite and a liar.

[roger-roger]

Which is why it should not have been put to a referendum, and it should have been kept the way it is. The same could have been said when they wanted to end segregation.

[martin14]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Which is why it should not have been put to a referendum, and it should have been kept the way it is. The same could have been said when they wanted to end segregation.

so people should be governed in spite of themselves ?

If you put that on the slope, you may as well get rid of elections
in any way shape or form.

[roger-roger]

The by that logic we should re-enact segregation; it came about by executive order. Thats how unpopular but just laws are enacted, by a benevolent government enacting a law that protects its citizens. By all means have the upper echelons of government vote on it like they would any other law, but dont have a state wide referendum on the subject. Canada allows same sex marriage and you don’t hear the horror stories that are religious right are saying are supposed to happen. People are not practicing bestiality or polygamy.

[martin14]

not practising it openly and legally, you mean.

and i dont consider segregation or slavery on the same level as gay marriage,
but i see how it supports your argument.

i personally am not worried about gay marriage, i laugh when i think
about the fun the government is going have in Slovakia when it comes time
to implement this in Eastern Europe

I also understand the religous types having a problem calling it marriage.
That invokes biblical stuff for what is essentially an administrative matter,
which is why i asked for clarification a little earlier, but it seems
the prop also includes civil unions.

It gets difficult for me to argue against civil union, cause there are benefits
and advantages to it, and those benefits should be extended to people
who dont fit the traditional category.


But why do you think this is so important, that you are willing to suspend
the right of people to express an opinion, and to vote on an idea
on how to structure their society ?

[uwish]

I am not opposed to same sex marriage, just call it something else. Marriage is defined as a union between man and women.

I do think everyone has the right to be happy, whatever that means and you fall in love with whomever your fall in love with. So be it, that being said it 'feels' allot like the boy scouts. Used to be for boys, now oooo nooo girls HAVE to be allowed to join.

Like men only clubs, it OK to be JUST FOR MEN or JUST FOR COUPLES OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.

I think they should have the same rights etc as any other couple, just call it something else.

Trivial I know, but hey if Quebec gets to be special, I want to be as well!

[poquas]

lily lily:

lily isn't pissed at all. It's not my fault no-one can give a good reason to vote against this, other than, "I just don't like it".

Why does anyone have to please you with a "reason" you'll accept?

Homosexuality is representative in something less than two percent of the human population. Than simply means that ninety eight percent “don’t swing that way”. Even if you take the religious kooks out of the equation, I certain the bulk of the remainder simply finds homosexuality at some level instinctively repugnant (abnormal would be the appropriate term, but has an overly negative connotation).

The majority of people in California aren’t comfortable with SSM and that’s all it takes. I am certain the “marriage” term is the bigger problem though. Consider the ninety eight percent accept the man-woman marriage as “normal”, legislating the change will only cause a backlash that is only going to hurt the cause.

Personally, I’m opposed to SSM. That’s all that matters and that’s all the explanation you need.

[TattoodGirl]

poquas poquas:

lily lily:

lily isn't pissed at all. It's not my fault no-one can give a good reason to vote against this, other than, "I just don't like it".

Why does anyone have to please you with a "reason" you'll accept?

Homosexuality is representative in something less than two percent of the human population. Than simply means that ninety eight percent “don’t swing that way”. Even if you take the religious kooks out of the equation, I certain the bulk of the remainder simply finds homosexuality at some level instinctively repugnant (abnormal would be the appropriate term, but has an overly negative connotation).

The majority of people in California aren’t comfortable with SSM and that’s all it takes. I am certain the “marriage” term is the bigger problem though. Consider the ninety eight percent accept the man-woman marriage as “normal”, legislating the change will only cause a backlash that is only going to hurt the cause.

Personally, I’m opposed to SSM. That’s all that matters and that’s all the explanation you need.

I fit into your supposed 'ninety eight percent' and do not find peoples choice in who they love 'instinctively repugnant'. What I do find Repugnant is the biggots on this board and in society. Why doesnt everyone, who is against SSM, admit that they are all just homophobic. And it was a 52% vote in California against SSM...not a large margin by far.

And CKA welcomes yet another biggoted newbie...jesus they are coming out of the woodwork this week

[hwacker]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

poquas poquas:

lily lily:

lily isn't pissed at all. It's not my fault no-one can give a good reason to vote against this, other than, "I just don't like it".

Why does anyone have to please you with a "reason" you'll accept?

Homosexuality is representative in something less than two percent of the human population. Than simply means that ninety eight percent “don’t swing that way”. Even if you take the religious kooks out of the equation, I certain the bulk of the remainder simply finds homosexuality at some level instinctively repugnant (abnormal would be the appropriate term, but has an overly negative connotation).

The majority of people in California aren’t comfortable with SSM and that’s all it takes. I am certain the “marriage” term is the bigger problem though. Consider the ninety eight percent accept the man-woman marriage as “normal”, legislating the change will only cause a backlash that is only going to hurt the cause.

Personally, I’m opposed to SSM. That’s all that matters and that’s all the explanation you need.

I fit into your supposed 'ninety eight percent' and do not find peoples choice in who they love 'instinctively repugnant'. What I do find Repugnant is the biggots on this board and in society. Why doesnt everyone, who is against SSM, admit that they are all just homophobic. And it was a 52% vote in California against SSM...not a large margin by far.

And CKA welcomes yet another biggoted newbie...jesus they are coming out of the woodwork this week

50.1% is all it takes. and maybe you're the biggot in our eyes.

[ManifestDestiny]

You know whats funny African americans in California voted 70% to ban gay marriage.

And because of the high turn out for Blacks it passed. So i geuss the liberals cant have their cake and eat it too.

[poquas]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Why doesnt everyone, who is against SSM, admit that they are all just homophobic. And it was a 52% vote in California against SSM...not a large margin by far.

And CKA welcomes yet another biggoted newbie...jesus they are coming out of the woodwork this week

First of all, how about a definition for homophobic and bigoted?

I have nothing to fear from homosexuals, and I’m hardly bigoted. I happen to disagree with you and those who might support you. I’m not the one calling people names they obviously don’t even understand.

Homosexuality is physiologically abnormal. That’s a fact. There’s no emotion or bigotry behind the statement. Period.

As such, and being heterosexual, I’m opposed to legislating something as “normal and accepted” when it isn’t.

So far the votes support my position. That again is a fact.

[ManifestDestiny]

poquas poquas:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Why doesnt everyone, who is against SSM, admit that they are all just homophobic. And it was a 52% vote in California against SSM...not a large margin by far.

And CKA welcomes yet another biggoted newbie...jesus they are coming out of the woodwork this week

First of all, how about a definition for homophobic and bigoted?

I have nothing to fear from homosexuals, and I’m hardly bigoted. I happen to disagree with you and those who might support you. I’m not the one calling people names they obviously don’t even understand.

Homosexuality is physiologically abnormal. That’s a fact. There’s no emotion or bigotry behind the statement. Period.

As such, and being heterosexual, I’m opposed to legislating something as “normal and accepted” when it isn’t.

So far the votes support my position. That again is a fact.

Dont take it personal this is what happens when you dont agree with them they call you a biggot.

You want to know a dirty little secret its them that are the real biggots

[poquas]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

You know whats funny African americans in California voted 70% to ban gay marriage.

And because of the high turn out for Blacks it passed. So i geuss the liberals cant have their cake and eat it too.

So much for reasoned debate.

Here's the clearest characterization of bigotry I've seen yet.

[ManifestDestiny]

poquas poquas:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

You know whats funny African americans in California voted 70% to ban gay marriage.

And because of the high turn out for Blacks it passed. So i geuss the liberals cant have their cake and eat it too.

So much for reasoned debate.

Here's the clearest characterization of bigotry I've seen yet.

Facts my freind facts. Just cause you dont like them its not my fault.

[herbie]

Simple experiment: copy ANY argument against SSM and paste it into Word.
Find and replace "same sex" or "homosexual" (whatever is used in it) with the word JEW. BLACK, MUSLIM or INTER-RACIAL.
Read the argument again.

If you still fail to see the inherent bigotry in the argument, do the world a favor and jump off a cliff.