[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ok, besides your usual arrogant response it's quite obvious that you can't put yourself in anybody else’s position and be open to other points of view.

Ok, besides your usual intellectually insecure response, it's quite obvious that all you can do is base big ideas off your own personal experiences. Don't paint me with your brush as I can see other's points of view, but that doesn't mean they're correct. Retreat to intellectual relativism if it makes you feel better.

$1:

Unfortunately you can't tell me about my experiences in 1991 while you were in the grade 2 debating club.

Nope, but I can tell you that homophobia was alive and well in 1991 despite your rationalizations.

$1:

I experienced the era as a mature adult and you obviously didn't, I do believe that I am entitled to post comments on my own personal experiences during the 1990's. You can obviously read a very prominent paper written by some professor you worship to apprise yourself of another point of view.

Argumentative fallacy aside, no one's questioning your personal experiences, i've only had reservations that they are somehow justified or socially permissible the time. You've done squat to address that.

$1:

Please do spare me the usual long winded and verbose responses.

I'll post what i want and you're free to ignore it.

$1:

Yes we all know you went to university and that you are a very clever chap, you don't need to vomit a dictionary onto your every post to impress us mere plebs.

Again with the banal insults and intellectual insecurity. Perhaps you could focus on the points instead of making this into somehow personal whine fit

$1:

As usual you make this a personal pissing contest about how you know so much more than us mere mortals.

This smells of projection and your reek of it. Try again.

$1:

Try a little humility in your approach and maybe people would take you more seriously. At the moment you just come across as a strutting, arrogant know-it-all bore. Not at all pleasant really and quite a waste of effort to debate with. You don’t even try to see anybody else’s viewpoint.

Perhaps you should try to stop whining about your own intellectual shortcomings and retreating to dime store psychology in a pitiful attempt to address your own issues. You've erred in assessing past social mores, misinterpreted my position, created conclusions and then hypocritically accused me of personally investing in this while you drone on and on about my alleged shortcomings. In short, each and every time you find yourself beyond your intellectual tether you resort to these kind of tactics. Perhaps, like your original worldview, you're wrong. But, hey, I'll remember your passive endorsement of intellectual relativism from here on in.

$1:

You ever gone for a personality profile? You should try it and maybe you’ll wake up to how you are coming across to others.

I'm good, but thanks for assuming YOUR personal assessment counts for something. Who's arrogant now? Hypocrisy at its finest.

When everything is said and done - homophobia was alive and well in 1991. Despite the fact that some may have harbored those perspectives and have since reassessed their validity, doesn't change the fact they were, in fact, bigoted (you'll notice that Eyebrock refuses to explain how Holocaust Scholars condemn Nazis homophobia in the 1930s and 40s, but it's permissiable in 1991 Canada.). Perhaps Eyebrock can present his statue of limitations regarding racism, Antisemitism, homophobia, xenophobia and sexism? I'd love to know when it's acceptable to hold people accountable for socially regressive ideas and actions. Perhaps instead of resorting to personal slurs, he can enlighten us with his information?

You don't disappoint eh? The arrogance remains. You really are not worth the wasted effort of even trying to debate.
It's not about the debate with you, it's all about advertising your alleged vast intellect to the forum. Very petty.

You just can't help looking down your nose at everybody can you? We are all mental midgets in your eyes.

Just look at your language, it's chock full of self-importance. "Intellectual tether"..."passive endorsement of intellectual relativism..." Wow aren't you a clever little boy? It's a pity that your arrogance annoys the shite out of everybody.

Really mustang, you have become very boring and predictable.
Your long winded and verbose insults are quite tiresome.
There is no real point continuing with this. Go and play with the chaps from Classical Greek History 549, we are just not worthy of your time.

I'll wait for the usual arrogant retort but hey, me and thee no longer converse. Not until there is an attitude change.

[mtbr]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ok, besides your usual arrogant response it's quite obvious that you can't put yourself in anybody else’s position and be open to other points of view.

Ok, besides your usual intellectually insecure response, it's quite obvious that all you can do is base big ideas off your own personal experiences. Don't paint me with your brush as I can see other's points of view, but that doesn't mean they're correct. Retreat to intellectual relativism if it makes you feel better.

$1:

Unfortunately you can't tell me about my experiences in 1991 while you were in the grade 2 debating club.

Nope, but I can tell you that homophobia was alive and well in 1991 despite your rationalizations.

$1:

I experienced the era as a mature adult and you obviously didn't, I do believe that I am entitled to post comments on my own personal experiences during the 1990's. You can obviously read a very prominent paper written by some professor you worship to apprise yourself of another point of view.

Argumentative fallacy aside, no one's questioning your personal experiences, i've only had reservations that they are somehow justified or socially permissible the time. You've done squat to address that.

$1:

Please do spare me the usual long winded and verbose responses.

I'll post what i want and you're free to ignore it.

$1:

Yes we all know you went to university and that you are a very clever chap, you don't need to vomit a dictionary onto your every post to impress us mere plebs.

Again with the banal insults and intellectual insecurity. Perhaps you could focus on the points instead of making this into somehow personal whine fit

$1:

As usual you make this a personal pissing contest about how you know so much more than us mere mortals.

This smells of projection and your reek of it. Try again.

$1:

Try a little humility in your approach and maybe people would take you more seriously. At the moment you just come across as a strutting, arrogant know-it-all bore. Not at all pleasant really and quite a waste of effort to debate with. You don’t even try to see anybody else’s viewpoint.

Perhaps you should try to stop whining about your own intellectual shortcomings and retreating to dime store psychology in a pitiful attempt to address your own issues. You've erred in assessing past social mores, misinterpreted my position, created conclusions and then hypocritically accused me of personally investing in this while you drone on and on about my alleged shortcomings. In short, each and every time you find yourself beyond your intellectual tether you resort to these kind of tactics. Perhaps, like your original worldview, you're wrong. But, hey, I'll remember your passive endorsement of intellectual relativism from here on in.

$1:

You ever gone for a personality profile? You should try it and maybe you’ll wake up to how you are coming across to others.

I'm good, but thanks for assuming YOUR personal assessment counts for something. Who's arrogant now? Hypocrisy at its finest.

When everything is said and done - homophobia was alive and well in 1991. Despite the fact that some may have harbored those perspectives and have since reassessed their validity, doesn't change the fact they were, in fact, bigoted (you'll notice that Eyebrock refuses to explain how Holocaust Scholars condemn Nazis homophobia in the 1930s and 40s, but it's permissiable in 1991 Canada.). Perhaps Eyebrock can present his statue of limitations regarding racism, Antisemitism, homophobia, xenophobia and sexism? I'd love to know when it's acceptable to hold people accountable for socially regressive ideas and actions. Perhaps instead of resorting to personal slurs, he can enlighten us with his information?

You don't disappoint eh? The arrogance remains. You really are not worth the wasted effort of even trying to debate.
It's not about the debate with you, it's all about advertising your alleged vast intellect to the forum. Very petty.

You just can't help looking down your nose at everybody can you? We are all mental midgets in your eyes.

Just look at your language, it's chock full of self-importance. "Intellectual tether"..."passive endorsement of intellectual relativism..." Wow aren't you a clever little boy? It's a pity that your arrogance annoys the shite out of everybody.

Really mustang, you have become very boring and predictable.
Your long winded and verbose insults are quite tiresome.
There is no real point continuing with this. Go and play with the chaps from Classical Greek History 549, we are just not worthy of your time.

I'll wait for the usual arrogant retort but hey, me and thee no longer converse. Not until there is an attitude change.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You don't disappoint eh? The arrogance remains.

Arrogance? Projection. You're the one that insists he's the barometer of social norms. I'm still waiting on those statute of limitations for racism, homophobia, xenophobia, anti-Antisemitism and sexism.

$1:

You really are not worth the wasted effort of even trying to debate.

If it's a debate that would assume you had a point. Sorry, you don't. Who's arrogant again?

$1:

It's not about the debate with you, it's all about advertising your alleged vast intellect to the forum. Very petty.

It's not about the debate with you, it's all about your intellectual insecurities and banal personal declarations. Very pitiful. Oh...still waiting on your informed explanation as to why it's permissible to condemn Nazi treatment of homosexuals. I guess it was socially acceptable in the 30s and 40s too.

$1:

You just can't help looking down your nose at everybody can you? We are all mental midgets in your eyes.

You made a dumb point. Accept it and move on. Your rather uneducated attempts at dimestore psychology are getting old, Dr. Phil. Homophobic comments were not acceptable in 1991. Get over it.

$1:

Just look at your language, it's chock full of self-importance. "Intellectual tether"..."passive endorsement of intellectual relativism..." Wow aren't you a clever little boy? It's a pity that your arrogance annoys the shite out of everybody.

Instead of bitching and moaning about your intellectual shortcomings, why not stick to the points? I understand that you're not up to snuff in the genes department and you're upset because you're getting schooled here, but I wasn't the one the instigated this nor was I the one that started with the condescending tone and insults. You did.

$1:

Really mustang, you have become very boring and predictable.

Really eyebrock, you have become dumber and more pitiful. You're an intellectual relativist looking to matter. Shuffle on.

$1:

Your long winded and verbose insults are quite tiresome.

Hey, try muddling through your short busts of stupidiy sometime.

$1:

There is no real point continuing with this. Go and play with the chaps from Classical Greek History 549, we are just not worthy of your time.

Okay, you run along now and practice being a good ignoramus. Oh...and be sure to go by the local university with your tired anti-intellectualism and lecture to them about your fabu barometer of social mores. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to get it.

$1:

I'll wait for the usual arrogant retort but hey, me and thee no longer converse. Not until there is an attitude change.

And i'll wait for yet another banal, useless, immaterial whine that seeks to score personal points but dodges the fact that you were a bigoted dreg and now instead of simply admitting it and moving on, you've done nothing but seek a rationalization. I'll remember this the next time you bitch about radical Muslims or rail against multiculturalism as evidently, in your flawed worldview, it's all relative.

Come back when you've got a clue

[EyeBrock]

Yawn.

Come back when you get a personality that doesn't involve looking down your nose at everbody.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yawn.

Come back when you get a personality that doesn't involve looking down your nose at everbody.

Translation: you're done.

[EyeBrock]

Lets play "I got the last word so I won" for a while eh? Oh vastly superior one? It'll be fun! You can carry on looking down your nose at me too! Oh, I didn't really need to suggest that because you'll do it anyway!

Your turn for the last word now! I'm winning, I said something last!

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lets play "I got the last word so I won" for a while eh? Oh vastly superior one? It'll be fun! You can carry on looking down your nose at me too! Oh, I didn't really need to suggest that because you'll do it anyway!

Your turn for the last word now! I'm winning, I said something last!

Let's play "make a point"! I challenged you to produce your super fantastic happy findings that identified the statue of limitations regarding xenophobia, racism, homophobia, Antisemitism and sexism. You've bitched out each time (but not before uttering some dreg anti-education comment or personal slur). Hey, you'll barf up some irrelevant mush again, but when you do, i predicted it.

Shuffle on.

[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lets play "I got the last word so I won" for a while eh? Oh vastly superior one? It'll be fun! You can carry on looking down your nose at me too! Oh, I didn't really need to suggest that because you'll do it anyway!

Your turn for the last word now! I'm winning, I said something last!

Let's play "make a point"! I challenged you to produce your super fantastic happy findings that identified the statue of limitations regarding xenophobia, racism, homophobia, Antisemitism and sexism. You've bitched out each time (but not before uttering some dreg anti-education comment or personal slur). Hey, you'll barf up some irrelevant mush again, but when you do, i predicted it.

Shuffle on.

I always like the "shuffle on" one, its so powerful.

Your turn great one.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lets play "I got the last word so I won" for a while eh? Oh vastly superior one? It'll be fun! You can carry on looking down your nose at me too! Oh, I didn't really need to suggest that because you'll do it anyway!

Your turn for the last word now! I'm winning, I said something last!

Let's play "make a point"! I challenged you to produce your super fantastic happy findings that identified the statue of limitations regarding xenophobia, racism, homophobia, Antisemitism and sexism. You've bitched out each time (but not before uttering some dreg anti-education comment or personal slur). Hey, you'll barf up some irrelevant mush again, but when you do, i predicted it.

Shuffle on.

I always like the "shuffle on" one, its so powerful.

Your turn great one.

Oops...yet another prediction right for me! And the best part is you bitched about having the last word, but you keep playing! Fricken' fantastic. Anything on that statue of limitations? Anything? Anyone? Bueller.

[ridenrain]

Not to join in but gotto agree with Eyebrock. Mustang's posts always have more to do with winning the debate and insults than the topic itself. I swear you could take a response from one thread, plop it in another and it would be indistinguishable.

The latest comparison is now Liberal MP Tom Wappel who has been very clear and very public on his abortion and gay marriage opinions. He went as far as to table papers on the subject
http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=F&me ... version=EN

Far more official and objectionable than tasteless drunken humor.

That, to me is the huge difference that the left is ignoring.

[Mustang1]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Not to join in but gotto agree with Eyebrock. Mustang's posts always have more to do with winning the debate and insults than the topic itself. I swear you could take a response from one thread, plop it in another and it would be indistinguishable.

Really? Demonstrate it here then - step up or shut up. Show me who was condescending and insulting first, Eyebrock or me. In fact, I've asked repeatedly for Eyebrock to objectively prove his statue of limitations and he hasn't. You're a sore loser and a cheerleader. It's rather obvious

I'll wait for you dodge.

[ryan29]

think this story has reached its end , he has apologised twice publicly . and during his time in ottawa he has not been known for such things or caused any trouble . he's certainly and not before this was not known as being one of the mp's on the far right of the party.

the whole video he was clearly not being serious and it was very old. i'm sure there is lots of old and bad video's out there that feature other politicans . its in my opinion time to except his apology and move on .

[Mustang1]

ryan29 ryan29:

think this story has reached its end , he has apologised twice publicly . and during his time in ottawa he has not been known for such things or caused any trouble . he's certainly and not before this was not known as being one of the mp's on the far right of the party.

the whole video he was clearly not being serious and it was very old. i'm sure there is lots of old and bad video's out there that feature other politicans . its in my opinion time to except his apology and move on .

And many, like me, are satisfied by this. It doesn't alter the bigotry of the comments or excuse them, but there's no reason for resignation nor a removal from caucus.

[EyeBrock]

Agreed Riden. I always like a bit of a debate but the tirade everybody gets subjected to when mustang foists himself off his lofty perch to 'school' us mere mortals, well it's really counter productive to any discussion.

He's just another forum bully. It's a pity really, it could be so much more fun if he stopped his tiresome ways. His message is getting lost in his arrogant approach and the barrage of insults.

I leave it at that and he can rebutt with his usual caustic diatribe. I'm sure it'll make him feel most superior.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Agreed Riden. I always like a bit of a debate but the tirade everybody gets subjected to when mustang foists himself off his lofty perch to 'school' us mere mortals, well it's really counter productive to any discussion.

He's just another forum bully. It's a pity really, it could be so much more fun if he stopped his tiresome ways. His message is getting lost in his arrogant approach and the barrage of insults.

I leave it at that and he can rebutt with his usual caustic diatribe. I'm sure it'll make him feel most superior.

Classic inferiority complex coupled with projection and hypocrisies. If cheer-leading is all you've got left...you're done.