[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

They are already monitoring these guys. Do you want that to stop too, or is 12/5 OK with you?

Having trouble with the definition of 'Everybody'? Give CSIS/RCMP or CSEC unlimited funding, and that's exactly what you'd have.

who said unlimited. HOw about enough to monitor the guys they know about on a continuing basis?

I have no problem monitoring those who have been identified as radicals. But I'm not blind to the fact that institutions like CSIS and CSEC would monitor us all 24/7 in order to first identify those of us who are 'radical'. And that is not acceptable.

As I was originally replying to your post:

andyt andyt:

I can tell you one thing. CSIS and the police are underfunded. They've stated they don't have the resources to monitor the guys they know about 24/7. It would seem like a wise investment to give them the funds to do so.

The problem lies in if we give them 'enough', then next year there will be more radicals, and they'll need a bigger budget. And so on...and so on...

Give them enough to monitor those we know about, then enough to fix the problem. Ongoing maintenance of a surveillance state is the problem they are fighting down south. Let's learn from their mistake.

[QBC]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

"Sun" doesn't quite cut it as legitimate "media" in my books.

... bottom feeders ...

Yeah, Sun is just Canada's version of an American propaganda broadcast. Not really anything to do with actual news. Its actually too stupid to even be entertaining.

[bootlegga]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

"Sun" doesn't quite cut it as legitimate "media" in my books.

... bottom feeders ...

Yep.

Yesterday, I saw lots of tweets and posts on Facebook comparing our media responses with those south of the border and it's apparent by that load of crap that the Sun's coverage was on the same level as CNN & Faux News.

[ShepherdsDog]

My wife pointed out last night that there was an honour guard at the Ottawa war memorial because other homegrown assholes were defacing and urinating on it a few years ago.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Based on your comments about Islam and moderate Muslims I assume your solution to lynchings would have been to blame all White people for them?

Actually, yes. The whites who sat on their hands and kept silence when these atrocities took place were just as culpable for these crimes as those who committed them.

And when these atrocities were finally dealt with in the 1960's the Federal government literally did hold all white people in the south responsible for those atrocities. For fifty years they could not make changes to voting rules or voting places without Federal approval, the Klan found themselves tirelessly hunted for their crimes, and the civil rights of blacks were aggressively protected often at the cost of the white power structure.

The most awful of the Jim Crow laws, prohibitions on black ownership of firearms, were overturned and the fact of black people being able to arm themselves to defend against the Klan and racist law enforcement went a hell of a long way to making the south a better place to live for everyone.

And, for the record, were it up to me then everyone who was present at a lynching would themselves be tried and executed for first degree murder. I don't care if they were just spectators.

[Zipperfish]

Benn Benn:

canuckns canuckns:

Tribute from south of the border. Extended: 'O Canada' performed at Pens-Flyers game

That's actually kinda touching. Not just they played it when no Canadian teams were playing but the amount of American fans singing. Pretty cool.

Yup--class act!

[andyt]

I hope that the soldiers guarding the memorial (they were replaced almost immediately) now have some sort of protection. And not just for a couple of days. They seem like sitting ducks for any nutbar coming out of the woodwork now.

Bart, the difference is that Germans and Southern Whites were the majority and had the power. Muslims in Canada are a small minority.

That said, I do think it's time that Harper confront Muslims in Canada, with a you're either with us or against us speech (in more conciliatory language). Point out to them them that they are in the best position to speak out against jihad and confront it wherever it arises. Whether that means ditching radical Imams or telling the cops about somebody calling for jihad or what have you. Say this against the backdrop that we are a multicultural country, that we have welcomed people from all cultures here, but that we expect them to adhere to certain values and be willing to integrate. I guess before yesterday a speech like this might have lost him votes and be branded intolerant, but I doubt it will any longer. He'd have to phrase this in a way that makes clear this isn't a witch hunt, doesn't bring out the Bart's and Martins and Sheps and FDs out of the woodwork, thinking it's open season. (I'm going to assume Thanos' call for concentration camps was the result of a drunken manic phase and says more about mental health than actual beliefs.)

[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Based on your comments about Islam and moderate Muslims I assume your solution to lynchings would have been to blame all White people for them?

Actually, yes. The whites who sat on their hands and kept silence when these atrocities took place were just as culpable for these crimes as those who committed them.

And when these atrocities were finally dealt with in the 1960's the Federal government literally did hold all white people in the south responsible for those atrocities. For fifty years they could not make changes to voting rules or voting places without Federal approval, the Klan found themselves tirelessly hunted for their crimes, and the civil rights of blacks were aggressively protected often at the cost of the white power structure.

The most awful of the Jim Crow laws, prohibitions on black ownership of firearms, were overturned and the fact of black people being able to arm themselves to defend against the Klan and racist law enforcement went a hell of a long way to making the south a better place to live for everyone.

And, for the record, were it up to me then everyone who was present at a lynching would themselves be tried and executed for first degree murder. I don't care if they were just spectators.

The German people(not even the Austrians....but the Germans specifically) are still held accountable for the horrific crimes the Nazis perpetrated against European Jews, Gypsies and others....Funny that the French, who rounded up their own and shipped them east, aren't....or the Poles, Russians, Romanians and Ukrainians.

[ShepherdsDog]

Neville Quisling Neville Quisling:

He'd have to phrase this in a way that makes clear this isn't a witch hunt, doesn't bring out the Bart's and Martins and Sheps and FDs out of the woodwork, thinking it's open season. (I'm going to assume Thanos' call for concentration camps was the result of a drunken manic phase and says more about mental health than actual beliefs.)

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The German people(not even the Austrians....but the Germans specifically) are still held accountable for the horrific crimes the Nazis perpetrated against European Jews, Gypsies and others....

By whom?
My experience is that the NAZI's are being held responsible and accountable. NOT the Germans.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The German people(not even the Austrians....but the Germans specifically) are still held accountable for the horrific crimes the Nazis perpetrated against European Jews, Gypsies and others....

By whom?
My experience is that the NAZI's are being held responsible and accountable. NOT the Germans.

Germany is certainly still held responsible by Israel. Most people don't really distinguish between Nazis and Germans, and to some degree that's fair. The majority of Germans supported Hitler. They may not have known exactly what was happening to the Jews, but they should would have known what was happening was wrong. And it's fair that the Germans alive at the time wear that stain. To blame the Germans who were born after tho, as many still do, is just absurd.

Wonder how long we will have to wear the stain if the haters manage to push us into acting like good Germans.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I hope that the soldiers guarding the memorial (they were replaced almost immediately) now have some sort of protection.

They're soldiers. Just issue them some ammunition for their rifles and let them protect themselves.

[andyt]

The shooter came up behind them. If he had fired twice they'd both be dead before they could even lift their rifles off the ground. Then we have that pesky law about no armed military personnel on the streets. I believe you have a similar law for US forces.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The German people(not even the Austrians....but the Germans specifically) are still held accountable for the horrific crimes the Nazis perpetrated against European Jews, Gypsies and others....

By whom?
My experience is that the NAZI's are being held responsible and accountable. NOT the Germans.

Germany is certainly still held responsible by Israel. Most people don't really distinguish between Nazis and Germans, and to some degree that's fair. The majority of Germans supported Hitler. They may not have known exactly what was happening to the Jews, but they should would have known what was happening was wrong. And it's fair that the Germans alive at the time wear that stain. To blame the Germans who were born after tho, as many still do, is just absurd.

Wonder how long we will have to wear the stain if the haters manage to push us into acting like good Germans.

Isreal holds everyone but themselves responsible for anything that happened ever.

Hitler has done a lot of good for Germany, until he went mad. Then it was a little late and a lot of them turned their backs and went underground to help Jews.

Us 'white Europeans' are still being blamed for black slavery in the US.

[Tyler_1]

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