[ASLplease]

Come on Eyebrock, man up!

I went on the line and told you exactly what it would take to shut me up and get me singing the same tune as you.

So where is reduction of 10 homicides(140 homicides by firearm x 7% that are done by registered firearms)? why cant you find the reduced numbers?

Why are you avoiding me? You think I dont see that you avoided this thread until others burried my post several pages deep?

All I'm saying is IF the registry is useful, THEN there ought to be some meaningful outcome.

Please show me the trending where the 10 murder by registered firearms has now been reduced to say 5 murders? 6 maybe? how about 9?

surely, the registry has been able to stop at least one bullet, hasnt it?

ASLplease ASLplease:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

If you take it so literally, I know personally of at least 50+ weapons seizures in my area after domestic assaults. I would think across Canada similar such seizures are in the thousands anually.

I think its great that your seizing these "weapons" but unless it translates into a reduced rate, then you haven't successfully defended your assertion that the registry is useful.

$1:

I suppose you could trawl through the thousands of 'reports to a justice' to confirm my assessment.

no need to, stat can has trended some of the raw data for years

$1:

I'd say that each weapons seizure is a woman’s life saved.

No doubt that police officers are saving lives, my question is what was it before you had the registry as a tool, and what is it now that you have the registry as a tool?

If you can show me that the 10 deaths by registered long guns is now 5, or maybe even 9, then I will forever change my tune. I will become an advocate for the registry, and I will shift my focus towards protecting legitimate uses of firearms in a society that INCLUDES a registry.

[EyeBrock]

I've explained why I agree with it and waxed lyrical about my actual experiences vs your reliance on stats, which you never have actually posted or linked to.

It's all a bit of a waste of time with you ASL. The earth is round vs flat. And round and round we go.

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I've explained why I agree with it and waxed lyrical about my actual experiences vs your reliance on stats, which you never have actually posted or linked to.

It's all a bit of a waste of time with you ASL. The earth is round vs flat. And round and round we go.

well i guess that I have to accept that as your answer even if it isnt a very good answer for the questions that Ive been asking you. Your answer has a bad smell of avoidance and denial to it. I was hoping for something more reasonable from you, because you tend to be pretty good at address the issue dead on compared to others.

Just to restate my position, so you are clear on it, I percieve you as saying that the gun registry is a usefull tool. And, I've stated that it would be nice if the most basic of stats canada data would support your claim.

I dont think I'm being all that unreasonable by saying "why hasnt the 14000 accesses per day translated into a reduction of at least 1 homicide by firearm( caused by a registered long gun)?"

I can understand how you might feel I am a round vs flat kinda guy, but on this single issue I am confidant that I have a point and you aren't helping me understand your point of view.ie what is the bottom line outcome that supports your claim that the registry is a usefull tool?

[ASLplease]

Eyebrock, what is your bottom line outcome that supports your belief that the registry is a usefull tool? is it just a warm fuzzy feeling inside you?

[Gunnair]

[EyeBrock]

Nope, just personal experience. You are entitled to your views. We should just leave it at that eh?

[ASLplease]

ok, I AGREE that stats canada trumps your personal experience. Have a good day, I'm off to the swimming pool.

[EyeBrock]

Stats canada don't go to too many domestic calls. Plus you haven't actually quoted any stats as of yet. Enjoy your swim.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stats canada don't go to too many domestic calls. Plus you haven't actually quoted any stats as of yet. Enjoy your swim.

[EyeBrock]

That's about it Gunnair! Pissing in the wind on this one.

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Plus you haven't actually quoted any stats as of yet.

"a useful tool" is your assertion,

if you wont support your own assertion with stats showing an improvement in homicides caused by registered long guns, is there anyone else out there that will do this for Eyebrock?

[FieryVulpine]

Dude, please heed my advice. There is nothing to be gained from arguing in circles, please just stop it. EyeBrock and Gunnair aren't going to change their positions.

[ASLplease]

Here's what i think of a 'useful tool' assertion that is unsupported by real data...

[fifeboy]

uwish uwish:

C-68 introduces all the reverse onus and search and seizure powers which are unconstitutional.

Well then, what's the worry. If it's unconstitutional, than one look at it and the Supreme Court dumps it, right!

[ShepherdsDog]

CHRC tribunals are unconstitutional...didn't seem to slow them down. Constitutional rights are ephemeral if the people lack the ability to ensure their rights aren't violated or revoked.