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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

[b]Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.


Religion is not necessary for human growth, in fact religion has been an active agent in the attempt to reduce or restrict scientific knowledge. You point of view your certainly entitled to have, but when you think your entitled to press your point of view onto the public as whole because of your religion, that's where the pleasant chatter stops and you have to start producing evidence of this god of yours

No, it's necessary. First forms of religion were trying to understand world. In phylosophy the definite it like "instrument of world understanding". Without religion humanity would not have a law system, because as we can see in african folks - religion consists of some rules and believes of this. Some disciplines will be not discovered, life of some countries will be not like that. Human rights will be never discovered and the human won't be a "1-st place valuable" in democracy countries.

Actually no it's not

The time that you are talking about goes back literally now to when we were evolving in the Homo Sapiens. Those beings who were our progenitors looked back then on such simple things ( As we see them now) as the why we have day and night (The earth's rotation) Winter and Summer (The Earth's orbit),the Tides (The Moon's orbit). They wondered about such things perhaps but say thirty thousand years ago there was no christianity or really any religion that we can discover. It was a bare subsistence life

All of these things were at one time or another ascribed to deities, the Sun God the Moon God etc etc. Christianity is not the first religion to use "God of the Gaps" it is however one of the more truculent. The Romans, the Greeks, Persians, Hindus etc etc all developed extravagant. And more often than not often promoted by the rulers of said countries. Because 5,ooo years ago it was useful for getting people to obey, and to not demand accountability, human rights and human dignity.
The 'gods' of the Ancient Romans and the 'gods' of the christians are no different in that they were useful tools and no more


The development of laws was as much evolutionary as we have been. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that unless you and your neighbors agree to live to together peaceably that you all are going to have to subscribe the same set of. Those rules came about because of the understanding of enlightened self-interest

Ergo what helps my neighbor also helps me and what hurts my neighbor also hurts me. As societies became larger and more complex those very basic rules still give us a basis for common law, we didn't need a mythical priests of a mythical Space Daddy telling us what to do and when

So to obey in some religions means belive, here it is that religion makes human growth. For example it was believe that king comes from god "Egypt, Kyivska Russ etc." Kingdoom is one of the humanity growth and religion here is one of the instruments. And as a result we grow with religion. Of cource it's level depends from society. African folks have primitive religion - look at their life now, during their history they've not invented even circle.

[angler57]

Same Ole Same Ole.

[Mustang1]

angler57 angler57:

Same Ole Same Ole.

So take a break...it's not as though you're contributing anything other than smug, inane comments.

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So to obey in some religions means belive, here it is that religion makes human growth

Or that religion is part of human growth - it's a cultural/intellectual/social tool for cognitive/social/psychological development. That's why, say Animism or Polytheism or Monotheism have continued to change because we're changing and that says a lot more about religion than science

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

angler57 angler57:

Same Ole Same Ole.

So take a break...it's not as though you're contributing anything other than smug, inane comments.

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So to obey in some religions means belive, here it is that religion makes human growth

Or that religion is part of human growth - it's a cultural/intellectual/social tool for cognitive/social/psychological development. That's why, say Animism or Polytheism or Monotheism have continued to change because we're changing and that says a lot more about religion than science

For example islam.

[Mustang1]

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

angler57 angler57:

Same Ole Same Ole.

So take a break...it's not as though you're contributing anything other than smug, inane comments.

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So to obey in some religions means belive, here it is that religion makes human growth

Or that religion is part of human growth - it's a cultural/intellectual/social tool for cognitive/social/psychological development. That's why, say Animism or Polytheism or Monotheism have continued to change because we're changing and that says a lot more about religion than science

For example islam.

An example of what?

[angler57]

It has been infered that I make broad sweeping statemnets about subjects. So here is one such statement made in recent post. Heres one

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

Same Ole Same Ole.

So take a break...it's not as though you're contributing anything other than smug, inane comments.



So to obey in some religions means belive, here it is that religion makes human growth

Or that religion is part of human growth - it's a cultural/intellectual/social tool for cognitive/social/psychological development. That's why, say Animism or Polytheism or Monotheism have continued to change because we're changing and that says a lot more about religion than science

For example islam.

An example of what?[/quote]

It was made like a good idea. It changed, looks like science, but it's more higher than first forms of religion. Religion just can help to do the science.

[Mustang1]

angler57 angler57:

It has been infered that I make broad sweeping statemnets about subjects. So here is one such statement made in recent post. Heres one

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?

Yeah there is something you missed (well...let's be honest, you've probably missed a lot) - your hypocrisy, smugness, and anti-intellectualism isn't above criticism. You attack others, rationalize it, dismiss others posts, justify it, post nothing of relevance, rationalize it, and then, when you're correctly called out on your disingenuous behavior, you run to the victimization.

You don't have a civil manner, nor do your care posting or you'd drop the hypocrisy and the dodging, get a thicker skin and park the endless pontificating.

Canadians are fine. But thanks for inferring otherwise.

[Mustang1]

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It was made like a good idea. It changed, looks like science, but it's more higher than first forms of religion. Religion just can help to do the science.

Okay, but that somewhat suggests what i'm asserting - religion is constantly changing as it does (to meet social/cultural/intellectual realities) it may eventually cease to be (in its current form - and this has constantly happened throughout history). At the end of the day, a dog is a dog (in biological terms), but can you truly say, Christianity will be the same, 200 hundred years from now?

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No of cource it will change, yes, dog will be a dog but we will know more about them that now, we will have another poin of view on them, here is changing.

[angler57]

mustang1 says;
Canadians are fine. But thanks for inferring otherwise.

Could not agree more. He is 100% correct.
That my friend mustang1 is why we return again and again to Canada. That is why we have said that would have a home in Gore Bay Manitoulin if monies permitted.
Refered only to some members of this forum as less than stellar in their behavior.

Often get the impression that some here read only what suits them. And, credit others with things not said.

Love and enjoy each moment in Canada.
Realize the few on this space do not reflect the true nature of Canadians. Most members here are fine folks. Some seek more combat than understanding. So it goes.

[Mustang1]

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No of cource it will change, yes, dog will be a dog but we will know more about them that now, we will have another poin of view on them, here is changing.

But the dog will still be a dog - our understanding of it might change but that is based on independently verifiable empirical data - whereas religion will not. What major theological changes will (or did) occur in Christian theology based on empirical evidence?

[Mustang1]

angler57 angler57:

mustang1 says;
Canadians are fine. But thanks for inferring otherwise.

Could not agree more. He is 100% correct.
That my friend mustang1 is why we return again and again to Canada. That is why we have said that would have a home in Gore Bay Manitoulin if monies permitted.
Refered only to some members of this forum as less than stellar in their behavior.

Often get the impression that some here read only what suits them. And, credit others with things not said.

Love and enjoy each moment in Canada.
Realize the few on this space do not reflect the true nature of Canadians. Most members here are fine folks. Some seek more combat than understanding. So it goes.

And isn't it nice that we don't follow silly generalizations and form our viewpoints of Americans on your behavior.

[angler57]

Voltaire said; To paraphrase.
I may disagree with what you say. But, I will defend to the death your right to say it.
These words are printed on the Op-Ed pages of many newspapers. Good words to live by.

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

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No of cource it will change, yes, dog will be a dog but we will know more about them that now, we will have another poin of view on them, here is changing.

But the dog will still be a dog - our understanding of it might change but that is based on independently verifiable empirical data - whereas religion will not. What major theological changes will (or did) occur in Christian theology based on empirical evidence?

Religion will be called religion too. Cruisaders were, the've used it to conquer rich islamic countries.