[martin14]

Perhaps Mohammed saw more "prophet" in moving to a low cost neighborhood.

[RUEZ]

Burning books is stupid. It doesn't matter if it's the Quaran, the Bible, or mein kampf. Book burning is immature.

[stratos]

Cool thanks DD and no didn't think it was some sort of war or something just knew they, Muslims, prayed towards Jerusilim first then changed to Meca and just never knew why the changed happened.

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Free speech DD? Not anymore. Nobody dare say anything against Islam in the west.

From Fulford's article in the NP.

$1:

Many of us worry more about the rights of the Islamists than about preserving our own traditions. We set up human rights councils to protect Islamists from words they might find offensive.

The West now lacks the conviction our way of life needs and deserves defending. Is modern Western society, four or five centuries in the making, a unique collective achievement? Or is it simply one way of organizing society, neither better nor worse than others?

The attack by Islamists should have encouraged us to confront this question. Instead, we have done our best to avoid thinking about it.

It’s become clear free speech and free inquiry are among the chief targets of the Islamists. They have developed the term Islamophobia as a stick to shame their critics into silence. At the same time, Islamists and their sympathizers have devoted themselves to finding reasons to be enraged. In this pursuit what they call Islamophobia is their rhetorical ally.

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... z0zFc8A3lb

I find that article just along the same lines as the usual they are out to get us argument. And the statment that everyone is bending over backwards to defend Islam kind of way exagerated.

Look across the boards, media, TV the papers and I would say its quite the opposite. The sad but predicted inflamtory response from some of the more uneducated parts and people of the world was the exact reason why this story about the loon pastor was picked up by the media.

Everybody takes what they want from such incidents. The Anti Islam brigade goes see we told you this would happen. The protesters, see we made a moise and it stopped so this line works after all and we will use it again.

We as sane people need to free ourselves from such nonsense and speak out against such from all sides.

If the media didn't get involved, it would just be the sad pastor and his sadder 50 followers inhaling some toxic fumes and left with a lot of ash to clear from their yard is some backwater town in florida.

[EyeBrock]

DD,

Fulford lives in Canada and he's expressing a Canadian viewpoint. Your views are from Dubai mate.

I agree with Fulford. We are now more concerned with not offending Muslims than anything else.

This whole Qu'ran burning thing exposes it all. World leaders and half of the Ummah are outraged about a single loony burning a book.

Silly and it's because of the violent reaction the Muslim world had with the Danish cartoons.

If Islam is so fragile that it can't deal with cartoons and book burnings, it deserves to wither.

[desertdude]

Thats true, out here we hardly see any bending over backwards to defend Islam infact quite the opposite. Just as from there you say you can't hear or see any muslims who don't speak out against such things.

[EyeBrock]

desertdude desertdude:

Thats true, out here we hardly see any bending over backwards to defend Islam infact quite the opposite. Just as from there you say you can't hear or see any muslims who don't speak out against such things.

I think things are changing over here, gradually. We have people like Tarek Fatah who promote a more tolerant version of Islam. He is an excellent bloke, bright, articulate and he's more than willing to challenge the extremists.

You can't see any bending from there? Have you not been watching the news with all our leaders begging the nutty pastor not to burn books?

On a more local level we have silliness such as Muslim women only recruiting nights for our local police agency. We are being so 'inclusive' that we are forgetting who we are and what we stand for.

[Brenda]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On a more local level we have silliness such as Muslim women only recruiting nights for our local police agency. We are being so 'inclusive' that we are forgetting who we are and what we stand for.

Isn't what they call "positive discrimination"?

(yeah, it's stupid...)

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We are being so 'inclusive' that we are forgetting who we are and what we stand for.

Indeed. Far too many muslims have absolutely no concept of freedom and they are utterly unable to comprehend the notion that the President of the United States is powerless to stop an obscure person from burning a koran. But what is happening in Western society now is that so-called 'tolerant' liberals are using the weapon of political correctness to impose a kind of dhimmitude on the West.

My opinion of the guy who wanted to burn the koran is that he was an attention whore. But as bad as he may be, the militant reaction of Western liberals to him was far more offensive because these same people who will defend the rights of 'artists' to befoul Christian symbols wanted this pastor arrested and prosecuted under any law possible to prevent him from offending muslims.

Desert Dude, Western Christians have to put up with liberal 'artists' doing things like this:



That's a crucifix of Jesus immersed in human urine.



That's the Virgin Mary rendered in human excrement.

And muslims are all in a dither about a burning koran? In comparison merely burning a koran is nearly respectful.

The big difference between Christians and muslims is illustrated in the fact that the blsphemies pictured here cost no one their life. Muslims, on the other hand, have no hesitation to demand blood.

Which is why I still think it is important for someone to burn a koran. Hopefully, it won't be a Christian fringe idiot who does it, but a homosexual, AIDS-infected, liberal performance artist. That way the liberals will be stuck in the quandary of trying to be politically correct to muslims and gay artists at the same time.

I think it will be fn to see the liberal perverts become the target of the muslim nutbags they so love.

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You can't see any bending from there? Have you not been watching the news with all our leaders begging the nutty pastor not to burn books?

I don't see trying to reason with someone bending over. And I'm also for everyone speaking out the kind of "Art" Bart posted.

[EyeBrock]

Brenda Brenda:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On a more local level we have silliness such as Muslim women only recruiting nights for our local police agency. We are being so 'inclusive' that we are forgetting who we are and what we stand for.

Isn't what they call "positive discrimination"?

(yeah, it's stupid...)

Maybe they can just answer calls involving Muslim women eh?

Very silly and it does nobody any good.

I'm not blaming Muslims for all this.

It's mainstream 'white' Canada that is at fault here.

I’m sure some local Imam thought it was a good idea and the local cops probably thought they best do it . They are making stupid decisions because they are terrified of appearing racist or bigoted.
All they are doing is providing fodder for the extremists.

[Brenda]

There was (probably still is) a car insurance company in the Netherlands that gives women a discount. Just because they are women. I never asked for that!
I wonder if Muslim(s) (women) ever asked for this too...

[EyeBrock]

desertdude desertdude:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You can't see any bending from there? Have you not been watching the news with all our leaders begging the nutty pastor not to burn books?

I don't see trying to reason with someone bending over. And I'm also for everyone speaking out the kind of "Art" Bart posted.

In the West, we have debated sacrilege and continue to do so. Our society believes that things such as Bart posted is freedom of expression and as such are protected by our laws, even if it does piss a lot of Christians off.

Until Islam and developing countries allow such freedoms, they will remain feudal theocracies. It doesn’t matter how many sky-scrapers are built, Islamic countries will continue to go nuts over cartoons and loonies burning books.

These are the differences between the West and countries that value Sharia law over freedom of speech.

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

desertdude desertdude:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You can't see any bending from there? Have you not been watching the news with all our leaders begging the nutty pastor not to burn books?

I don't see trying to reason with someone bending over. And I'm also for everyone speaking out the kind of "Art" Bart posted.

In the West, we have debated sacrilege and continue to do so. Our society believes that things such as Bart posted is freedom of expression and as such are protected by our laws, even if it does piss a lot of Christians off.

Until Islam and developing countries allow such freedoms, they will remain feudal theocracies. It doesn’t matter how many sky-scrapers are built, Islamic countries will continue to go nuts over cartoons and loonies burning books.

These are the differences between the West and countries that value Sharia law over freedom of speech.

A little misinformed post eh ? When did any "muslim" nation sanction any flag burning or issue official death threats to pastor jones. Yes alot of them spoke out and I see nothing wrong with that.

What has sharia got to do with this ? I don't mind at all you speaking out or in some cases just venting but atleast get it right or stay relevant.

[EyeBrock]

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... an-burning


http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/ten ... ran/394778

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11258739