[ASLplease]

I understand. Its a challenge to find good casuals. But as the work gets less intensive, and the pay gets higher some people like that kind of work.

[Brenda]

It's also a challenge to be a good employer, with respect for your employees...

[Pseudonym]

How could one force a company to stay in business?

[Lemmy]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

How could one force a company to stay in business?

The government(s) forced General Motors to stay in business last spring.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

How could one force a company to stay in business?

The government(s) forced General Motors to stay in business last spring.

And here I thought we PAID for them to stay in business.
Maybe the union should pay Wal-Mart to re-open its doors.

[ASLplease]

And here I thought it always costs workforces to have Walmart open it's door.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Let's look at this from a different perspective. This may surprise you ASL, Quebec isn't the only province with unions in the retail sector. The CAW had unionized Zellers a while ago.

Now, for those that have droned on about a "livable wage" in the retail sector, Zellers employees still aren't near that, DESPITE having the union in there.

This is why I say the unions have changed their model. The big unions are in the same business as corporations, to make money.
Think about it, unionizing has had little benefit for Zellers employess and yet the CAW is still quite happy to take their union dues out of the paltry cheques the employees receive. Strangely, the compitency level of Zellers employees of the store I used to frequent, has gone DOWN since unionization.
The unions don't give a shit about their "workers", all they care about anymore is THEIR bottom line. And you can see the desperation in their actions. The Auto workers union has its claws in the retail and the hotel and gaming industries. The Steelworkers Union is in some grocery stores.
We have unions telling companies how to do business and who they can do business with and yet, several here don't seem to see anything wrong with that.
One has to wonder what the unions reactions would be if someone started strongarming them and telling them how to operate their BUSINESS.

[OnTheIce]

ASLplease ASLplease:

In general, I would agree...a working wage will always be a working wage. However, a small increase would help these workers more than it would help me. Furthermore, of the 80 or so class action lawsuits against Walmart, many are about management knowingling engaging in intimidation tactics designed to get their employees to work off the clock. The is much more to be gained than just a marginal increase.

That tiny monetary increase is immediately absorbed by union dues.

ASLplease ASLplease:

I can sympathize with the challenge, implementing a union is much like implementing a quality system. There is a mountain of policy and procedure that needs to be debated and discussed so that it can replace the arbitrary and discriminatory decision making of the past. Some companies embrace the quality systems, but are fearful of loosing the ability to be arbitrary and discriminatory with the human resources management.

And some companies are fearful of the increased cost and frankly, the increased headache that comes along with a union.
For example, I've worked for two seperate companies within the same industry. Let's use Rexall and Shoppers Drug Mart as an example.
Both pay their employees a similar wage, the unionized one is higher, but only marginally. That, of course, is taken away due to their union dues. Being a manager of the unionized company I've noticed the union does very little to help those who bust their balls every day. You cannot reward that individual with more time or an increased wage. Unions protect the lowest common denominator and provide a marginal wage increase with the hoax that conditions are "improved".

Employees aren't always treated fairly in a unionized environment either.

[Proculation]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

How could one force a company to stay in business?

The government(s) forced General Motors to stay in business last spring.

And here I thought we PAID for them to stay in business.
Maybe the union should pay Wal-Mart to re-open its doors.

[MacDonaill]

As if Jonquière didn't already have too few jobs... these bozos go and vote themselves out of one.

All this did to affect Wal-Mart in Saguenay really was to send all the former shoppers over to the Chicoutimi location, which explains why it's always packed to capacity there; busiest store in the city. They continue to thrive in the Place-du-Royaume, the same mall where the Bay was forced to close, if that's any economic indication of the way things are going currently. Now Saguenay is probably Canada's only major city without a high-end department store.

[Brenda]

High end departmentstore?
It's Walmart, not Bloomingdales

[Wada]

[MacDonaill]

Brenda Brenda:

High end departmentstore?
It's Walmart, not Bloomingdales

I was talking about The Bay, not Wal-Mart.

Just as I clearly said in my post, the Wal-Mart in Saguenay (Chicoutimi) is always packed to the hilt (and thus open and doing quite well) as opposed to the Bay (the high-end department store) which was located in the same mall but forced to shut down.

[ASLplease]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Brenda Brenda:

High end departmentstore?
It's Walmart, not Bloomingdales

I was talking about The Bay, not Wal-Mart.

Just as I clearly said in my post, the Wal-Mart in Saguenay (Chicoutimi) is always packed to the hilt (and thus open and doing quite well) as opposed to the Bay (the high-end department store) which was located in the same mall but forced to shut down.

So all the high end shoppers are at walmart?

[MacDonaill]

ASLplease ASLplease:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Brenda Brenda:

High end departmentstore?
It's Walmart, not Bloomingdales

I was talking about The Bay, not Wal-Mart.

Just as I clearly said in my post, the Wal-Mart in Saguenay (Chicoutimi) is always packed to the hilt (and thus open and doing quite well) as opposed to the Bay (the high-end department store) which was located in the same mall but forced to shut down.

So all the high end shoppers are at walmart?

I suppose they'd have to be now.

But the point was that in Saguenay, there used to be two Wal-Marts. One in the borough of Jonquière, one in the borough of Chicoutimi. When the Jonquière employees voted themselves out of a job, all it did was send the Jonquière Wal-Mart shoppers over to the Chicoutimi location.

As a side note, I mentioned that in the same Chicoutimi mall where there is a busy Wal-Mart, there used to be La Baie (The Bay), but they had to shut down because they didn't attract enough business, which is an indication of the economic situation in Saguenay, now one of the only major cities in Canada without any high end department store.