[HyperionTheEvil]

What I've seen here is a lot of prematory gloating by the left, but since people here constantly ask for facts here are some

Number of seats

CPC: 143

Librals: 77

NDP: 39

BQ: 49

Indpendent: 2

That means the Liberals and NDP themselves to not have enough to form this 'coalition' they would have to depend, and i do mean depend, on the BQ to pass legislattion. These two parties have in their past reviled the BQ for the very reason that the BQ wants it's own country, wants to seperate. So They now want to put thier faith in a politcal party thats wants to damage the country, to run Canada.

I Also rmember one of the prime 'negotiators' for this hypothtetical alliance , jean chretien campaigned agasint eh Bloc because he felt they might destrot the country. And yet now he wants the Liberals to get into bed with them?

Another issue is the price that the Bloc will demand for the price of thier support, do we honestly think that the Bloc will care about how well the country is govrened?. Their first and last goal is for Quebec to seperate from Canada. Fine good and all that, but the damgae they would do to canada while the Liberals and NDP scroinge for 'power' will last much longer than this 'coalition'. For a few years now we've seen the Liberal pary debase itself becuase it feared and election, and the results of the latest election showwed that canadians have far less belief in them than in anytime in history. And yet, they want to try to form a government that has even less popular vote from Candians even if one combined the Liberals and the NDP.

Also is the issue of the Governer General, she has to be sure tht these parties have the ability to form a government, it woldnt be automatic. There wold have to be a decision about who was to be PM (Dion?.....get real) And you could count on BQ Cabinet Ministers. For the first time in our history we would have Cabinet minsters whose first thought is not to run the country well, but to destry it. How could the GG in hr right mind accept a coalition government with a party - the BQ- who sole mission is to remove quebec from canada no matter the cost?


But since i have little or no confidence in the abilites of the GG to make any sort of serious decision. My advice to the left is to do it. I would give it a few months of Choas as the left, extreme left and the sepertists further send canada into a finincial spiral, they would eventually be defeated. The best thing the left could do for the CPC right now is to do this, eventually they will implode. Because no matter what you may think of the left in this country, you cannot run Canada with another party whos mission is to destroy it. The only party we have in this country which would repesent the moderate course of action in Canada is the CPC and they would prevail

[Richard]

I couldn't read all of the post so if I miss something to bad. There are apparently a few of you folks that need to firmly grasp your shoulders and pull. With your heads so far up your ass you can't seem to see what you are saying.

You call Harpo a liar for calling an election early then apparently love the other snakes in the grass for trying to steal power with a back room deal they claimed they would never condone during said election.

Why after years of pissing and moaning about the rich corporations getting richer would you be all for giving them a big handout without showing their collective books and a fiscal strategy.

[kenmore]

mtbr mtbr:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

It still has economic policies that affect the country. Harper brought this upon himself. I have no pity for this stupidity.

$1:

of course it is..do you want him to throw money at the Auto industry without hearing the US plan for it? that would be like throwing money in the crapper if the US let's it sink. Both governments have requested the Auto industry to table a report by Dec 5 outlining their production and finance plans before they make a decision.

The Canadian economy is the strongest out of the G8 why jump the gun and start promising money that might not be needed. When Harper met with the Premiers last month they all came to a consensus about infrastructure projects and funding for them, it takes a little time to work out the details for such a plan. An infrastructure plan would take months to have any impact on the economy...waiting until Feb isn't going to make a difference. The Libs have been planning this BS since October they were just waiting for the first opportunity to start the BS.

Well,,,, what does George say.. or did harper call him lately..?

[kenmore]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I would be only too happy to vote anything but Conservative after the shit Harper's pulled.

Not a fan of democracy huh?

Putting his need for autocracy and king hood ahead of suffering Canadians isnt exactly democracy.. he is a selfish bastard..

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kenmore kenmore:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I would be only too happy to vote anything but Conservative after the shit Harper's pulled.

Not a fan of democracy huh?

Putting his need for autocracy and king hood ahead of suffering Canadians isnt exactly democracy.. he is a selfish bastard..

You talking about Broadbent or Cretian?

Or did someone just pull that string behind your head?

[AlwaysCanuck]

$1:

You call Harpo a liar for calling an election early then apparently love the other snakes in the grass for trying to steal power with a back room deal they claimed they would never condone during said election.

I don't think anyone is stealing anything...Mr. Harper gave it away.

I guess if he took the statement re: not condoning a coalition as a guarantee that he could walk all over the opposition without consequence, he was wrong.

Welll...that's politics for you.

[Toro]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.

You can't possibly be serious.

Typically, minority governments last two years, after which there is an election.

Typically, $100 million doesn't disappear to line the pockets of political cronies, with money being being passed under the table in Montreal restaurants and dead mafia guys in Italy showing up with minister's phone numbers in their pockets.

[Toro]

Robair Robair:

mtbr mtbr:

Robair Robair:

Harper is a coward

The subsidy does nothing to promote democracy...

You must not have a very firm grasp of the concept.

Its kind of like the Stanley Cup winners getting the number one draft pick.

[Thanos]

kenmore kenmore:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I would be only too happy to vote anything but Conservative after the shit Harper's pulled.

Not a fan of democracy huh?

Putting his need for autocracy and king hood ahead of suffering Canadians isnt exactly democracy.. he is a selfish bastard..

Why don't you do all the sensible people around here a big favour and go fuck yourself to death already. One-trick pony moron.

[Toro]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

I wouldn't. I think Mckay is a fool. He was immature when he cried on TV during the Belinda debacle, and was a complete embarrassment when he gushed like a schoolgirl and declared himself a "fan" of Condeleeza Rice during her visit last year.

That's 'cause he was banging her!

[Toro]

Well, this thread has been very predictable, with all the usual suspects lining up on their typical partisan sides.

Frankly, I think Harper is being astonishingly stupid. I always thought he had a bit of a tin ear politically, but this takes the cake. What possible benefit is it to Canadians at this time to change the financing laws? How could he have ever thought that the other parties would roll over and go with this? Remarkable.

As for the other political parties, if you ever wanted to know what really matters to politicians, this is it. Politicians and political parties exist to perpetuate themselves first and foremost. The idea that the government could fall over a few million dollars in funding to themselves is the ultimate act of self-centered political cravenness.

The fact that Canada is entering what could be the worst recession since the Great Depression and this is what Canada's political parties are fighting over is absolutely unbelievable.

What a fucking disgrace our political process has become, on all sides. A nothern banana republic. Canadians should be embarrassed.

Having said all that, setting partisanship aside, what is the legal precedent or the legal mechanism for a coalition of two parties with 25 less seats in Parliament? I recall an election in the 30s or 40s where an election was called, the Tories won the most seats but did not win a majority, and the Liberal PM - WLM King? - kept governing because he had not lost the confidence of the House even though the Liberals won fewer seats.

BTW, aren't we all glad we have a GG whose qualifications were that she was a multi-cultural female? Now, this isn't a shot at multi-cultural females or the Liberals in particular. Rather, it says something about the sorry state of Canadian politics that the person who is appointed the Queen's representative and who will adjudicate on the fate of Parliament isn't anyone who might actually have some knowledge on the workings of the Canadian legislative system but rather merely a high profile political patronage appointment.

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You get a rep point for that last post.

[mtbr]

Toro Toro:

BTW, aren't we all glad we have a GG whose qualifications were that she was a multi-cultural female? Now, this isn't a shot at multi-cultural females or the Liberals in particular. Rather, it says something about the sorry state of Canadian politics that the person who is appointed the Queen's representative and who will adjudicate on the fate of Parliament isn't anyone who might actually have some knowledge on the workings of the Canadian legislative system but rather merely a high profile political patronage appointment.

well damn she did work for the CBC that's gotta count for something.

[Scape]

Toro Toro:

Frankly, I think Harper is being astonishingly stupid. I always thought he had a bit of a tin ear politically, but this takes the cake. What possible benefit is it to Canadians at this time to change the financing laws? How could he have ever thought that the other parties would roll over and go with this? Remarkable.

Why the opposition can't back down now

$1:

This becomes relevant because suddenly, he is weak. In fact, at this particular moment, he is almost unable to defend himself. Owing to a ridiculously ill-considered act of hubris, he has laid himself vulnerable to his opponents. Their imperative could not be more clear: kill him. Kill him dead. Do not, whatever you do, provide him with an opportunity to extend his hold on power. Because you can be damn certain he will never again be so reckless as to give you a chance to finish him off.

Yep, I agree and it seems the opposition smells blood too. What a stupid move.

[hurley_108]

Scape Scape:

Why the opposition can't back down now

I saw that too. Yep, they should just get rid of Harper. The Conservatives are rudderless without him. Give him a taste of his own poison medicine and begin the work of rebuilding the country's economy and politics.