[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

If you believe that heavy handed treatment is good for children then you agree that beating them would be even better.

Class, now we have Histrionics 201.

[DerbyX]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

just read your 'continuation' man you are a piece of work, i am reminded of a quote....never argue with an idiot....so i'm going to stop arguing with an idiot...


got a sign for you brenda aaahhhh...enjoy

It was too easy to defeat your arguements, such as they were.

I get the feeling that you hate this kid because he beat you up on the playground.

Its the only reasonable explanation for your hatred of him and your piss-poor showing in the debate.

Don't worry. Your teachers will be able to help you out. Just go up to them and remind them that you are an idiot and you need their help to overcome it.

you've got NOTHING!!!
freggen air head

In short you lost and can't admit it.

On yer bike skippy. I've defeated every argument you made and quite easily I might add.

Given your reputation I expected a poor showing but not this poor.

My bad.

[Heavy_Metal]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There have been things that I've only done once because of the consequences, as have lots of people. The chances are this kid will likely not be a problem in the future as he's been 'scared straight'. The ones pushing this entire matter seem to be the parents because they were shown, publicly, to be negligent in their supervision of their child. One kid at home for a few hours is fine....a group of kids....well many lack the experience and good judgement to know when enough is enough and all it takes is one. Will the kid learn from this? Likely. Will the parents learn? Doubtful, and if they continue in their current path, their kid won't benefit from this entire experience.

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There have been things that I've only done once because of the consequences, as have lots of people. The chances are this kid will likely not be a problem in the future as he's been 'scared straight'. The ones pushing this entire matter seem to be the parents because they were shown, publicly, to be negligent in their supervision of their child. One kid at home for a few hours is fine....a group of kids....well many lack the experience and good judgement to know when enough is enough and all it takes is one. Will the kid learn from this? Likely. Will the parents learn? Doubtful, and if they continue in their current path, their kid won't benefit from this entire experience.

The first part is speculation, but I agree with the second part...
I hope the kid is "scared straight", but still, i think it was abuse of power. The parents are airheads, blaming the wrong people, imo...

[Wally_Sconce]

I think you guy are overreacting.

it was just a handcuffing for crying out loud.

moral of the story: when you are around cops, keep your mouth shut.

[Brenda]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I think you guy are overreacting.

it was just a handcuffing for crying out loud.

moral of the story: when you are around cops, keep your mouth shut.

Who said he didn't?

[DerbyX]

mikewood86 mikewood86:

$1:

Yes it was heavy handed. No 10 year old deserves that and I doubt it happened to you despite the almost certainty you did exactly what this kid did.

Why not have the cops pistol whip him then? Really drive the point home.

BTW, if your theory had any validity then there would be no such thing as recidivism.

I just don't see how you draw comparisons to pistol whipping, and handcuffing, regardless of age. Why not get the UN to pass a resolution barring this apalling form of torture called handcuffs.

You want the police to diffuse the situation, handcuffs are a tool at the officers disposal capable of doing so. There are numerous other tools (batons, tazers, pepper spray, and their pistol) but I think the handcuffs are the way to go. Easier on the eyes and central nervous system IMO.

As stated, handcuffs are used for the safety of:
1)The Police officer(s)
2)The Suspect(s)
3)The Public

At any point, despite age, are any one of these threatend, they are allowed to put them to use. No matter what you think, this is the reality. This is why it's a policy; so officers don't have to make the personal call or let their personal opinion/public opinion sway their actions in the moment.

Nothing excuses handcuffing a ten year old in this case.

Despite what you have heard the handcuffs are only ever for the protection of the police. The line about protecting the person being handcffed is BS. Ask a cop for a truthful answer.

Regardless, it is very apparent that these cops did not have even that to support their treatment.

Despite age?

Would they handcuff an infant? How about a 2 year old? Think that would be excessive even if they state "regardless of age".

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

There have been things that I've only done once because of the consequences, as have lots of people. The chances are this kid will likely not be a problem in the future as he's been 'scared straight'. The ones pushing this entire matter seem to be the parents because they were shown, publicly, to be negligent in their supervision of their child. One kid at home for a few hours is fine....a group of kids....well many lack the experience and good judgement to know when enough is enough and all it takes is one. Will the kid learn from this? Likely. Will the parents learn? Doubtful, and if they continue in their current path, their kid won't benefit from this entire experience.

The first part is speculation, but I agree with the second part...
I hope the kid is "scared straight", but still, i think it was abuse of power. The parents are airheads, blaming the wrong people, imo...

Scared Straight from what though?

He wasn't caught shoplifiting or vandalizing or doing drugs.

He was horsing around with his friends.

Given the reality of what some kids are doing I would think that would be cause for celebration that they weren't out hopped up on crack and shoplifting to support it.

[Wally_Sconce]

I dont recall ever being handcuffed for having a party and playing the music a bit too loud.

that little shit obviously did a bit more than that.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Would they handcuff an infant? How about a 2 year old? Think that would be excessive even if they state "regardless of age".

Ladies and gentlemen, the Oscar for best supporting actor in a drama goes to......

$1:

The line about protecting the person being handcffed is BS. Ask a cop for a truthful answer.

I've worked in holding cells and on several occasions I have witnessed individuals being restrained for their own protection.

[mikewood86]

DerbyX DerbyX:

mikewood86 mikewood86:

$1:

Yes it was heavy handed. No 10 year old deserves that and I doubt it happened to you despite the almost certainty you did exactly what this kid did.

Why not have the cops pistol whip him then? Really drive the point home.

BTW, if your theory had any validity then there would be no such thing as recidivism.

I just don't see how you draw comparisons to pistol whipping, and handcuffing, regardless of age. Why not get the UN to pass a resolution barring this apalling form of torture called handcuffs.

You want the police to diffuse the situation, handcuffs are a tool at the officers disposal capable of doing so. There are numerous other tools (batons, tazers, pepper spray, and their pistol) but I think the handcuffs are the way to go. Easier on the eyes and central nervous system IMO.

As stated, handcuffs are used for the safety of:
1)The Police officer(s)
2)The Suspect(s)
3)The Public

At any point, despite age, are any one of these threatend, they are allowed to put them to use. No matter what you think, this is the reality. This is why it's a policy; so officers don't have to make the personal call or let their personal opinion/public opinion sway their actions in the moment.

Nothing excuses handcuffing a ten year old in thsi case.

Despite what you have heard the handcuffs are only ever for the protection of the police. The line about protecting the person being handcffed is BS. Ask a cop for a truthful answer.

Regardless, it is very apparent that these cops did not have even that to support their treatment.

Despite age?

Would they handcuff an infant? How about a 2 year old? Think that would be excessive even if they state "regardless of age".

Unreal how you take it to the extreme to try and prove a point when such a situation would never happen. It proves your weakness in your arguments because you make it seem like others are going to the extreme, while you are the only one doing so. You claim to have won, but I haven't been dancing around your rebuttles at all. I have stuck to every single point made, while de-bunking yours.

You need to be handcuffed immediatley so you can't type anymore bullshit.

Oh, as I stated, my father was Toronto Police (13 division) for 30 years, and grandfather (who has passed on) for 35 years. So as you said, I asked a Police Officer (already knowing the answer), and he agreed 100% with me. You lose.

[ShepherdsDog]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I dont recall ever being handcuffed for having a party and playing the music a bit too loud.

that little shit obviously did a bit more than that.

I've been at parties where the cops have shown up and some mouthpiece who thinks he's a lawyer has gotten in their face and become belligerent. When asked politely to be quiet, they refused to comply and in the end spent the night in the drunk tank.

[Wally_Sconce]

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Nothing excuses handcuffing a ten year old in this case.

And you know this based on.....?

well, the 10 year old obviously gave them one.

[Wally_Sconce]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I dont recall ever being handcuffed for having a party and playing the music a bit too loud.

that little shit obviously did a bit more than that.

I've been at parties where the cops have shown up and some mouthpiece who thinks he's a lawyer has gotten in their face and become belligerent. When asked politely to be quiet, they refused to comply and in the end spent the night in the drunk tank.

yes, I've seen that too. but if the mouthpiece had kept his mouth shut, it wouldn't have happened.

[ShepherdsDog]

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Nothing excuses handcuffing a ten year old in this case.

And you know this based on.....?

He was there?? It sounds like it from his overwrought depictions of the police brutalizing this little angel.