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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:49 pm
 


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And you should put all your money against it since you too have an opinion.

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Not trying to start a new fight with any current or ex-military/police CKA dudes but IMO anyone putting on a uniform for our countries anymore is kind of a fool. That's not against you personally as people but against a cause that, no matter how much you might personally believe in it, is about as sensible as tilting at windmills. These clowns like Kaepernick and the garbage that support him, as well as a thousand or so other varieties of jerk-offs, are just not worth your getting injured or killed to protect. They despise you for it anyway, because they think you're worse than any of the other real enemies out there. We all might have to just let the inevitable fall happen and see if anything better can be built after all the dust settles because a polarized society and culture like this can't last much longer.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:13 pm
 


Delwin Delwin:
And you should put all your money against it since you too have an opinion.


Ok. Sure thing, I do donate to causes I believe in, how about you, bud?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:16 pm
 


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Thanos Thanos:
Not trying to start a new fight with any current or ex-military/police CKA dudes but IMO anyone putting on a uniform for our countries anymore is kind of a fool. That's not against you personally as people but against a cause that, no matter how much you might personally believe in it, is about as sensible as tilting at windmills. These clowns like Kaepernick and the garbage that support him, as well as a thousand or so other varieties of jerk-offs, are just not worth your getting injured or killed to protect. They despise you for it anyway, because they think you're worse than any of the other real enemies out there. We all might have to just let the inevitable fall happen and see if anything better can be built after all the dust settles because a polarized society and culture like this can't last much longer.


Your right, it takes a special kind a crazy to run towards gunfire and into buildings, and thats why I'm happy that we have these crazies that will put their lives on the line to save yours and mine, and that's why we need to thank them and be appreciative of them, because imagine our society without them, its kinda scary. And yes, our society is doomed, hopefully after the coming war those that are left have the wisdom not to make the same mistakes we have.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:21 pm
 


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Yes

Supporting Naomi Campbell and her Leap Manifesto doesn't count.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:22 pm
 


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San Fran is the most left wing city in America by far. Yet when the camera scans the crowd during the National Anthem at the game, all those left wingers are standing.

Uh, just FYI, just because San Fran is a left wing city, doesn't mean a stadium full of NFL fans is left-wing

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If there are things wrong with your country, than you get off your ass and you work to change them.
That's probably what he thinks he's doing.

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Left wingers have died fighting for America. Left wingers are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. Left wingers come home in body bags, paralyzed, and blind as well as right wingers. The enemy does not differentiate. There is no patch on American service members to designate their political leanings. Left wingers know this..they love their country too.

Can you tell your right-wing friends this first, this might be a stunning revelation to them.

It's right wing political correctness because the conservatives are the ones who have a thought police shit fit whenever someone doesn't follow some prescribed patriotic ritual or dares to suggest that may America is created by God to forever be the greatest country on the planet. People decide for themselves how to honour their country and maybe that means standing up for a song and maybe it means refusing to stand for a song. Standing for the national anthem is like putting a tie on to go to a job interview. It has no INHERENT value, only SYMBOLIC value and symbols are subject to interpretation.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:31 pm
 


llama66 llama66:
Delwin Delwin:
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Supporting Naomi Campbell and her Leap Manifesto doesn't count.

Who is Naomi Campbell?


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San Fran is the most left wing city in America by far. Yet when the camera scans the crowd during the National Anthem at the game, all those left wingers are standing.

Uh, just FYI, just because San Fran is a left wing city, doesn't mean a stadium full of NFL fans is left-wing


The 49'ers new stadium is in Santa Clara...about 75km south of SF. I've no idea about the demographics of the crowd aside from that most NFL fans are going to swing patriotic.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:57 pm
 


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Uh, just FYI, just because San Fran is a left wing city, doesn't mean a stadium full of NFL fans is left-wing


Total agreement here. I live in a very LEFT wing city yet I'm a right wing. When you come down to it if you are the type to go to such sporting events you are not there, for the most part, for political reasons. You are there to support your team. Patriotism along with team support abounds at most sporting events. There are a few nut balls on each side of the political spectrum who will try and make a political statement. Generally they are looked at as buffoons at best.


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Once again BeverFeaver it wont let me +5 you for the statement I've copied and pasted above.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:32 pm
 


Well the truth is, this guy is not left wing at all. He is recorded as having blasted Hillary a new one. What makes him left in view of the right is simply his blackness. He took a stand for black people hence he's left wing. His views have nothing to do with it. That's why the racist right will never, ever, ever get the black vote. And in reality, it's gonna be a long time before we see another republican pres.

Colin Kaepernick Just Went Beastmode On Hillary Clinton


http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/30/col ... y-clinton/


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:44 pm
 


If he was anti-abortion, pro-gun, pro death penalty, anti-gay and Pro Christian who happens to make a statement on support of black issues that is controversial you label him as left. Thanks for the power to control the free world.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:54 pm
 


Delwin Delwin:
If he was anti-abortion, pro-gun, pro death penalty, anti-gay and Pro Christian who happens to make a statement on support of black issues that is controversial you label him as left. Thanks for the power to control the free world.


You forgot his disrespect for the anthem. I mean white Christian men didn't spill their blood so people could be free to criticize the country. They did it for America, love it or leave it. Slavish adherence to correct thought.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:04 pm
 


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Well at least we now know where Kapernick got his inspiration. Even in that he isn't original. BTW Robinson never did refuse to stand for the National Anthem. He spoke about not wanting to but, because it probably would have made things far worse for the player of colour who followed him he never did it at a MLB game. Kapernick of course had no such qualms about the fallout his action would cause for others.
Maybe Robinson just didn't have the balls and didn't want to put his career in jeopardy.


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And why is pointing out the position of privilege a person lives in while trying to make himself look like one of the downtrodden a strawman? Also, Where did I say blacks had no problem?
Did he say he was one of the downtrodden? I thought he just said blacks were. And certainly even high status blacks have complained about being singled out by police, so maybe he has been too, who knows.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
What I said was Colin Kapernick had no problem. Remember it was him who had decided to use his position as a pro football player to make it look like he was speaking for the black community which, is a self centred thing to do because there are a myriad of blacks who don't feel the same way this newly minted SJW does.
For fuck's sake, more of this bullshit. Any community but the white one must all be on one mind and be responsible for the entire community. Even MLK wasn't speaking for the entire black community - I'm sure you could have found plenty that just wanted him to keep quiet. There seems pretty broad agreement within the black community they are still getting a raw deal, and he was expressing that.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
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Cruz weighed in on the actions of his fellow NFL league athlete, having this to say in regards to Kaepernick’s choice.
“I think, personally, the flag is the flag. Regardless of how you feel about the things that are going on in America today and the things that are going on across the world with gun violence and things like that. You’ve got to respect the flag and stand up with your teammates.”
And? Cruz is the authority on this, Kaepernick can't see it differntly? Oh, right, all blacks have to agree with him before he's allowed to act.





Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
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Mr. Kaepernick, a biracial young man adopted and raised by white parents, claims America is oppressing blacks at a time when we have a black, biracial president who was twice elected. We’ve had two black attorneys general and currently have a black secretary of homeland security, along with a black national security advisor. Here in Dallas our police chief, whom I know, is an outstanding black leader. The officer in Milwaukee who shot the armed assailant after issuing an order to drop his weapon was black. Is Mr. Kaepernick following suit and cherry-picking what he terms “oppression?”
First of all, let me clarify to you sir, you are a multi-millionaire “one-percenter” just because you can throw a ball and kiss your biceps. Men like Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Oscar Robertson, Ernie Davis, and Bernard King and Condredge Halloway of my alma mater were athletes who knew of oppression. You sir may certainly have the right to sit upon your “fourth point of contact” when the National Anthem is played but never forget, you live in a nation that has provided you the privilege to have that right.


http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/message ... kaepernick

Sorry but Kapernick overstepped his boundaries by trying to take on the mantle of spokesman for the oppressed blacks of America and now that it's coming back to bite him in the ass the excuses are flying full force.


this is what its really about for you guys, a black man daring to say that there are still problems for blacks in the US. How dare he.


You can keep deluding yourself that Colin Kapernick is the most selfless person in the world and what he did was for the betterment of his race but the fact is he used someone else's intellectual property to push an agenda that had no business being pushed in that forum.

But hey if you want to believe all we "right" wingers are pissed cause a black guy spoke out go right ahead because people like Victor Cruz and Allen B. West spoke out against him and you went after one of them.

So in your world Colin Kapernick can slag his country, embarrass their employer and cause racial discord on his team and within the league so long as they do it for a cause you agree with but, the second another black steps up challenges your poster boy's opinion he becomes no expert on black lives. Fair enough but here's a question. Since One grew up in Turlock California and the other in Patterson New Jersey could you tell me which one should have a better grip on urban black living and what life for a black in America is really like?

But TBH, I could really give a shit what Kapernick thinks or does and the only issues I had till you guys went off the rails defending his actions was one of where and why he did it. Although, I'm still waiting for you or someone else to give me the list of Black organisations and charities Mr. Kapernick has supported in the past with his money and or his presence because if nobody does it means this is more than likely a publicity stunt being used for an ulterior motive which was my first impression.


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