[2Cdo]

Thanos Thanos:

Stop that youse guys. I can play with the same tactic if you want. The next time someone does a World War Two thread I'll spice it up by saying how wrong we were to fight Germany the way we did with bombing cities because technically only 10% of Germans were members of the Nazi party and the other 90% were only guilty by association. With that kind of thinking we should have only shot at one out of ten German soldiers because the other nine apparently had nothing to do with it.

I'm done trying to reason with those types of assholes. They deserve nothing but derision for their efforts to destroy everything good the west has done by sucking islamic dick.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

Like Milo said in that clip I posted the Muslims that wouldn't do this are irrelevant because the Muslims that would do this are significant enough in number that, even if they're a statistical minority, there's still enough of them out there to represent an existential threat to the secular personal liberties-based way of life in Western civilization.

It's relevant because you want to apply an extreme solution to ALL Muslims. Punish the 99% for the sins of the 1% (at its more like 0.1% or even less).

The rest of us missed that part where an "extreme solution to ALL MUSLIMS" was proposed. Got that one for us? Or is it too difficult to copy and paste something from what only happens in the fantasy existence of Beave-world?

Wait? Do you mean something like what Trump suggested? Blocking the borders until they can figure out a better solution. That's not "All Muslims". I'm not sure FDR or Israel would agree with you that it's "extreme" either.

I have heard better ideas, but they all start with identifying the problem by name first - the ideology propagated by the warlord Mohammed and his followers. Get past that roadblock little proggies and we can talk.

[BeaverFever]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And the usual suspects, aka the useful idiots, still try to deflect away from the real source of this shooting. Somehow, some way it HAS to be NRA and white Christian republicans at fault.

Fuck me, we the west deserve to be over-run by these savages with our population filled with idiots like you types.

Another insult laden, argument-free empty post, brought to you by 2Cdo.

[Khar]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

In any case here's the money-shot comment from Gallup.

$1:

Gallup analysts, however, cannot determine the direction of causality from the correlation.

So later we learn Gallup has an opinion though. Good for them.

Beave wanted a number. He was given a specific statistical fact. Now he wants to whine about it, because it's not the number he wanted.

Human Development and Societal Stability Linked to Public Rejection of Violence

Rather than look to religion to explain public acceptance of violence, Gallup's analysis suggests that leaders should consider social and economic development and better governance. The way individuals think about violence against civilians, whether it is committed by the military or by an individual actor or small group, directly relates to the development and stability of society more broadly. Gallup analysts, however, cannot determine the direction of causality from the correlation.

Well done on taking that well out of context. The "money shot" is that Gallup can't say if undeveloped and unstable countries cause people to believe civilian casualties are successful, or if that mindset causes countries to not develop and remain unstable. It had nothing to do with the religion component of the study, and once again you are wildly selectively misquoting and taking things out of context.

Thanos Thanos:

Lemmy Lemmy:

And what if the number is only 1% or only 1/100 1%? Are we just picking numbers at random? And why would the numbers be different for one group of muslims, say the Arabs, than another? Wouldn't that indicate that "Islam" isn't the pertinent variable?

Take it up with Pew. They're the ones whose surveys have repeatedly said the same thing when they statistically analyze this phenomenon and their numbers are far from random. So what if it's "only" 1%? That's still close to two million dedicated Muslim zealots who are more than willing to die in order to take out as many of their enemies with them as they possibly can, and the ones they regard as their enemies are practically everyone on the planet. Trying to find the exact dividing line is pointless anyway. Like Milo said in that clip I posted the Muslims that wouldn't do this are irrelevant because the Muslims that would do this are significant enough in number that, even if they're a statistical minority, there's still enough of them out there to represent an existential threat to the secular personal liberties-based way of life in Western civilization.

As my post demonstrates, Pew is more in line with it's commentary with Lemmy than it is with yourself. This doesn't answer the fact that currently less than 0.1% of Muslims are engaged in fundamentalist violence, and most of that violence is being perpetrated in unstable, undeveloped, overwhelmingly poor countries with poor governance, all of which has been better correlated to issues of violence and attacks on civilians than religion, including Islam.

Less than a few hours ago both of you guys were using these polls as proof, and now you guys are deriding key aspects (and the entirety of the results) of these polls and the studies around them.

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And the usual suspects, aka the useful idiots, still try to deflect away from the real source of this shooting. Somehow, some way it HAS to be NRA and white Christian republicans at fault.

Fuck me, we the west deserve to be over-run by these savages with our population filled with idiots like you types.

No one in this thread has tried to claim it is the fault of white Christians. They've only proven that while there is an issue with radical fundamentalism in the world, not all billion plus Muslims were holding the gun at Pulse, and trying to pass this off as the sin of all of Islam doesn't make sense.

Also, thanks for calling me a useful idiot and completely ignoring anything in my post (or any of the other people's in this thread), your drive by insulting in this thread was both helpful and appreciated.

Thanos Thanos:

Stop that youse guys. I can play with the same tactic if you want. The next time someone does a World War Two thread I'll spice it up by saying how wrong we were to fight Germany the way we did with bombing cities because technically only 10% of Germans were members of the Nazi party and the other 90% were only guilty by association. With that kind of thinking we should have only shot at one out of ten German soldiers because the other nine apparently had nothing to do with it.

Actually, it's more akin to us sending all those Japanese to internship camps because they had the temerity to be Japanese while we were at war with a nation of Japanese. The world, including the left, is well aware of the dangers of ISIS, and no one is talking about peace in our times with an expansionist nation. However, not all of Islam is contained in a tiny stretch of land in the Middle East.

But please, in a thread about actual victims of the Holocaust (homosexuals), please tell me how the GLBT community doesn't get "guilt by association."

[Thanos]

$1:

Human Development and Societal Stability Linked to Public Rejection of Violence

I'd like to think this would lead to an examination of how religion in Muslim states succeeds mostly in keep the overall society backwards and stunted, unable to grow and evolve into something better and more humane, if not necessarily for the overall good of the world then just for the long-suffering Muslims themselves. Probably won't be that way though. Just more of the same again. Sigh.

From page 4 of this thread to show this ground's already been covered.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

Here’s a prediction. If the gunman from last night had proved to have been a Christian fundamentalist, every person he had ever associated with would by now be being crawled over not just by law enforcement but by the press. Senior church figures and political leaders across America and the rest of the world would have condemned the act and said how important it is to root out such hatred from people’s hearts. Every group, individual or fellow-traveller who was in any way associated with the gunman’s ideology would be forever tarnished by association even if they had no connection to the gunman himself.

But the Orlando attack would appear to have been carried out by a radical Muslim, not a radical Christian. And so law enforcement will play down the ideological component. Meantime US and other political leaders will try to deny the ideological connection or say – at the most – that it is important not to single out any one ideology. Almost every single Imam in America and elsewhere will deny that there is any connection between the gunman’s beliefs and theirs. If any journalists do look into which mosques or groups the gunman was associated with the entirety of the American Muslim community leadership will insist that any identification of the gunman’s beliefs is in fact ‘Islamophobic’. And so the hatred that propelled the gunman will not just live on, but grow. Which the rest of us might end up assuming was the aim all along.

It is just two months since we learned that 52 per cent of British Muslims believe that being gay should be made illegal in the UK. When that poll was released very nearly the entirety of the UK’s Muslim leadership and spokespeople attacked not the bigotry of their own community, but the poll. It is always the same story. And yet there is a perfectly straight line from that belief to what happened in Florida last night. With any other religious community we – and they – would admit that. But not with Islam.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/ca ... ub-gunman/

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And the usual suspects, aka the useful idiots, still try to deflect away from the real source of this shooting. Somehow, some way it HAS to be NRA and white Christian republicans at fault.

Fuck me, we the west deserve to be over-run by these savages with our population filled with idiots like you types.

Another insult laden, argument-free empty post, brought to you by 2Cdo.

What argument would you care to hear? You won't listen to anything that is contrary to "peaceful islam" even when it's right in front of you.
It's people like you that will be crying like little bitch's for help when this affects you directly and it's people like me that will laugh in your face.

[BeaverFever]

Well there are dozens of Muslims working in my business and other places I've worked and gone to school over the years who everyday disprove your theory that all Muslims are intolerant. bloodthirsty killers.

And you're the one crying little bitch now. The fact that you would laugh in my face if I was the victim of terrorist attack and just shows what awful human beings people like you are.

Terrorists are just the overseas version of you. If the world was suddenly divided into good people and evil people, I'm pretty sure I would be on the good side with most of the world's peaceful Muslims, and you would find yourself on the other side, next to ISIS and Al-Qaeda, with a surprised look on your face.

[herbie]

Hmm, let's see. The guy calls in at the last minute and pledges allegiance to ISIS so they can take the blame instead of him.
Which makes it all part of a planned evil conspiracy. Islam bad, mm'kay?

No other conclusions can be drawn once you let your knee jerk so high so often it concusses your brain into mush.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well there are dozens of Muslims working in my business and other places I've worked and gone to school over the years who everyday disprove your theory that all Muslims are intolerant. bloodthirsty killers.

And you're the one crying little bitch now. The fact that you would laugh in my face if I was the victim of terrorist attack and just shows what awful human beings people like you are.

Terrorists are just the overseas version of you. If the world was suddenly divided into good people and evil people, I'm pretty sure I would be on the good side with most of the world's peaceful Muslims, and you would find yourself on the other side, next to ISIS and Al-Qaeda, with a surprised look on your face.

You've chosen your stance to apologize for islam and demonize Christianity and anyone right-wing and now you're all butt hurt because I decided to refer to you by what you are.

Too fucking bad. I'm all for helping those who want and need it but refuse to help those who bring misery to themselves.

Think of it as "tough love". Maybe you will wise up before islam targets you, and if you do I will help you. If not, you're on your own.

I much prefer to help those who don't condemn me for trying to warn them of the dangers of islam.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm pretty sure I would be

Here's a tip:

You are not the better person you think you are.

[BeaverFever]

^ speaking of hurting butts, here's your lover to chime in.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

The fact that you would laugh in my face if I was the victim of terrorist attack and just shows what awful human beings people like you are.

This is rich coming from a pig like yourself who was cracking jokes about teens committing suicide. Fucking hypocritical piece of shit that you are.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

^ speaking of hurting butts, here's your lover to chime in.

That's funny.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

^ speaking of hurting butts, here's your lover to chime in.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Another insult laden, argument-free empty post, brought to you by BF

See, you are still not the better person you think you are.